Just a quick question. Friends of ours are looking to buy a new to them pup. It's a Jayco Jay Series 1207, 12' box with a GVWR of 2950#. They have a 2007 Honda Odyssey. We plan on adding the factory hitch kit and wiring and a large trans cooler. The van has a tow rating of 3500#. Does anybody else use an Odyssey for towing a small trailer? He understands that he won't be winning any races with the combo. They have to wait until next summer before they can purchase a more suitable tow vehicle.
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I used a Sienna to pull a popup, but it was a *much* lighter popup - empty it was 1750. But, you need to add passengers, gear, fuel in the tanks, etc. I bet I got pretty close to the 3500.
Your friend is starting at nearly 3000 lbs. That leaves 500 for everything else, and it just wont make it.
No, he is starting at 1895#. That is how much the trailer weighs empty. I stated the GVWR of the trailer because that is how much it can weigh total with all gear, water, LP gas etc. 2950# So, he is still 550# below the actual tow rating of the van. I know it's pushing the envelope so to speak, he knows this also. FWD vehicles are not the best tow vehicles by any stretch of the imagination but it can be done with the proper equipment. WDH, trans cooler, brake controller etc.
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I don't know where you got your screenname, but it's funny that those are my initials (mach). I will second retiredtraveler on the WDH. I have a 2005 Honda Odyssey that I used for towing a 2002 Jayco Eagle 10SG. I then bought a 2001 R-Vision Trail Lite B19 and installed the WDH which I feel is a must even according to the Odyssey manual. Make sure your friend installs the ATF cooler, PS cooler and that the 1207 has brakes.
Leaves 550 lb. for passengers, cargo and everything else. As long as you can stay below that it should be OK. I believe Honda does as good a job as anyone else of knowing what their vehicles can do.
Good luck / Skip
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We tow with a Sienna and are pretty close to max weight with no issues. Properly equipted and within their specs, minivans make excellent tow vehicles. The modern vans are much more powerful than the 80's minivans. I would guess your friend's van is sporting about 250 HP and probably pretty close to that in torque.
The biggest issue I have seen with some (I'm not familiar with the newer Honda vans) is the rear suspension is softer because it is intended to be a comfortable people mover. This is where the WDH and/or airbags come into play depending on the weights and set-up.
He can load up the van like he would be for camping and go weigh. That will tell him how much capacity he will have left and he can make his decision from there. Again, not familiar with the Odyssey, but most vans have a pretty substantial carrying capacity.
Ok, but remember the contents of the TV (including passengers) also count in that 3500. People tend to way underestimate these things.
And the weight of the trailer will probably not include and options. I dont know about his trailer, but when we bought our pups, *everything* was an extra (heater, HW, awning, etc)
Our first trailer had a weight of 1750, and was a little lighter than your friends. We added very little to it. But we had two kids (who just insisted on growing and growing...) and a fair amount of gear.
We *really* noticed it using our Sienna. Then we upgraded to a 4runner, and it was like it was not there. OTOH, after a few years of towing, we allowed the sienna to return to being just an around town car, and it now has over 185K miles, with the original transmission.
Though, it did not affect our mileage on either vehicle - we figured that when we use our cars as non TVs, we are doing a lot of around town driving, and when we are towing it is on the freeways. Sometimes the mileage even went up :-)