It is really kinda of silly to restrict a half million dollar coach from class A resorts.
I do not think the restriction makes sense, but I do not think redefining half a million dollar class C as Class A is the solution. If MONEY becomes the criteria, which is what you are really saying then why $500,000? why not $250,000? Why not a $250,000 fifth wheel?
What about a NEW $250,000 fifth wheel instead of an older super C that depreciated to $200,000? Why do we not redefine fifth wheels that cost over $250,000 as Class A?
Similarly, why not a NEW class 7 truck conversion that is worth more than an OLDER (4 years?) depreciated class 8 truck conversion as class A if it is WORTH more?
YOU may think it is silly (I do not like any of it personally) BUT I do not want to be defending (or be a member of) the WE with RVs over $XXX,000 coaches keep out the paupers RVs. Because once that starts someone is eventually going to say you a really trying to keep out minorities who can not afford RVs over $XXX,000 and that is in violation of FEDERAL housing laws. (I think I can hear a salivating attorney cheering some where).
Redefining Class C coaches as Class A based on what they COST is beyond SILLY and someone had better be able to fund a Class 8 truck load full of lawyers.
It is really kinda of silly to restrict a half million dollar coach from class A resorts.
I do not think the restriction makes sense, but I do not think redefining half a million dollar class C as Class A is the solution. If MONEY becomes the criteria, which is what you are really saying then why $500,000? why not $250,000? Why not a $250,000 fifth wheel?
What about a NEW $250,000 fifth wheel instead of an older super C that depreciated to $200,000? Why do we not redefine fifth wheels that cost over $250,000 as Class A?
Similarly, why not a NEW class 7 truck conversion that is worth more than an OLDER (4 years?) depreciated class 8 truck conversion as class A if it is WORTH more?
YOU may think it is silly (I do not like any of it personally) BUT I do not want to be defending (or be a member of) the WE with RVs over $XXX,000 coaches keep out the paupers RVs. Because once that starts someone is eventually going to say you a really trying to keep out minorities who can not afford RVs over $XXX,000 and that is in violation of FEDERAL housing laws. (I think I can hear a salivating attorney cheering some where).
Redefining Class C coaches as Class A based on what they COST is beyond SILLY and someone had better be able to fund a Class 8 truck load full of lawyers.
Dan,
I appologize if you took this as a "money" statement.....I did not mean it that way and the fact I DON'T frequent the class A only resorts and enjoy being in camps that allow everyone really defines what I meant, after all I sold my class A for my TC. My point was simply that many class A resorts DO WANT TO RESTRICT their facilities based on the type, age and cost of motorhomes. No one is fooled by the class A only "monicker" most understand exactly what they are doing....A generality may be that the class A travelers are older, not traveling with children, only have 2 travelers, retired ect....I know that is not everybody but do you ever notice how few children there are at class A only resorts?
I simply was drawing one of many analogies (as you did with expensive C's or 5th wheels) that there are lots of nice units no matter what classification out there, that would feel right at home next to a calss A coach. So what is the REAL reason they restrict entry?
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It is really kinda of silly to restrict a half million dollar coach from class A resorts.
I do not think the restriction makes sense, but I do not think redefining half a million dollar class C as Class A is the solution. If MONEY becomes the criteria, which is what you are really saying then why $500,000? why not $250,000? Why not a $250,000 fifth wheel?
What about a NEW $250,000 fifth wheel instead of an older super C that depreciated to $200,000? Why do we not redefine fifth wheels that cost over $250,000 as Class A?
Similarly, why not a NEW class 7 truck conversion that is worth more than an OLDER (4 years?) depreciated class 8 truck conversion as class A if it is WORTH more?
YOU may think it is silly (I do not like any of it personally) BUT I do not want to be defending (or be a member of) the WE with RVs over $XXX,000 coaches keep out the paupers RVs. Because once that starts someone is eventually going to say you a really trying to keep out minorities who can not afford RVs over $XXX,000 and that is in violation of FEDERAL housing laws. (I think I can hear a salivating attorney cheering some where).
Redefining Class C coaches as Class A based on what they COST is beyond SILLY and someone had better be able to fund a Class 8 truck load full of lawyers.
Dan,
I appologize if you took this as a "money" statement.....I did not mean it that way and the fact I DON'T frequent the class A only resorts and enjoy being in camps that allow everyone really defines what I meant, after all I sold my class A for my TC. My point was simply that many class A resorts DO WANT TO RESTRICT their facilities based on the type, age and cost of motorhomes. No one is fooled by the class A only "monicker" most understand exactly what they are doing....A generality may be that the class A travelers are older, not traveling with children, only have 2 travelers, retired ect....I know that is not everybody but do you ever notice how few children there are at class A only resorts?
I simply was drawing one of many analogies (as you did with expensive C's or 5th wheels) that there are lots of nice units no matter what classification out there, that would feel right at home next to a calss A coach. So what is the REAL reason they restrict entry?
I did not mean to pick on you in any way.
But the class A resorts seem to want to keep out the riff raff from their point of view and they use the class A as a fig leaf excuse that it is really not a "rich" mans club exclusion. I just see the whole thing falling apart at the seams if these resorts change it to class A and Expensive class C RVs. It just gets more obvious that it is based on cost of the RV and that is when they will run in to problems.
I agree their are lots of nice units in various types of RVs and I do not see any reason to start excluding anyone. But if it becomes obvious they exclude based on cost of RV I see big problems a head.
It is really kinda of silly to restrict a half million dollar coach from class A resorts.
I do not think the restriction makes sense, but I do not think redefining half a million dollar class C as Class A is the solution. If MONEY becomes the criteria, which is what you are really saying then why $500,000? why not $250,000? Why not a $250,000 fifth wheel?
What about a NEW $250,000 fifth wheel instead of an older super C that depreciated to $200,000? Why do we not redefine fifth wheels that cost over $250,000 as Class A?
Similarly, why not a NEW class 7 truck conversion that is worth more than an OLDER (4 years?) depreciated class 8 truck conversion as class A if it is WORTH more?
YOU may think it is silly (I do not like any of it personally) BUT I do not want to be defending (or be a member of) the WE with RVs over $XXX,000 coaches keep out the paupers RVs. Because once that starts someone is eventually going to say you a really trying to keep out minorities who can not afford RVs over $XXX,000 and that is in violation of FEDERAL housing laws. (I think I can hear a salivating attorney cheering some where).
Redefining Class C coaches as Class A based on what they COST is beyond SILLY and someone had better be able to fund a Class 8 truck load full of lawyers.
Dan,
I appologize if you took this as a "money" statement.....I did not mean it that way and the fact I DON'T frequent the class A only resorts and enjoy being in camps that allow everyone really defines what I meant, after all I sold my class A for my TC. My point was simply that many class A resorts DO WANT TO RESTRICT their facilities based on the type, age and cost of motorhomes. No one is fooled by the class A only "monicker" most understand exactly what they are doing....A generality may be that the class A travelers are older, not traveling with children, only have 2 travelers, retired ect....I know that is not everybody but do you ever notice how few children there are at class A only resorts?
I simply was drawing one of many analogies (as you did with expensive C's or 5th wheels) that there are lots of nice units no matter what classification out there, that would feel right at home next to a calss A coach. So what is the REAL reason they restrict entry?
I did not mean to pick on you in any way.
But the class A resorts seem to want to keep out the riff raff from their point of view and they use the class A as a fig leaf excuse that it is really not a "rich" mans club exclusion. I just see the whole thing falling apart at the seams if these resorts change it to class A and Expensive class C RVs. It just gets more obvious that it is based on cost of the RV and that is when they will run in to problems.
I agree their are lots of nice units in various types of RVs and I do not see any reason to start excluding anyone. But if it becomes obvious they exclude based on cost of RV I see big problems a head.
I agree......and as I said there are simply plenty of campgrounds that welcome everyone and in the long run that is what makes camping so fun and unique...you get to meet all kinds of folks on the road.
A couple of things that I have heard about the Super C's from owners:
Cargo carrying capacity- Some seem to max out easy and you end up maxing out the leaf springs.
Towing weight- If you are going to tow a toad or trailer be sure you can and be sure you can in the areas where you plan to be. Hills and mountains require more pulling ability.
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invmartyc wrote: A couple of things that I have heard about the Super C's from owners:
Cargo carrying capacity- Some seem to max out easy and you end up maxing out the leaf springs.
Towing weight- If you are going to tow a toad or trailer be sure you can and be sure you can in the areas where you plan to be. Hills and mountains require more pulling ability.
exactly the reason i sold my jayco seneca and bought a truck conversion.
the seneca was rated at 26,000. with jeep attached and loaded i was there. or with an aluminum trailer and 2 atv's i was there.
Interesting about that Seneca. My SuperC, which I know is beefier than any Seneca, it's a class 7 and (I think) Senecas are class 6, has much higher limits.
Wet weight is just under 28k, GVWR is 33k, GCWR is 60k.
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To be fair I read about over weight Class A coaches all the time. It is not surprising to me that some super Cs are over weight or near over weight as well. ALL MH makers are pushing the envelope be it class C or Class A. It is just the way it is in this business.
JTHarley wrote: My point was simply that many class A resorts DO WANT TO RESTRICT their facilities based on the type, age and cost of motorhomes. No one is fooled by the class A only "monicker" most understand exactly what they are doing....A generality may be that the class A travelers are older, not traveling with children, only have 2 travelers, retired ect....I know that is not everybody but do you ever notice how few children there are at class A only resorts?
I've always wondered WHY the class A restriction, because I couldn't figure out what was so special about a class A vs. a nice fifth wheel or a super-C or truck conversion, but I can see how the folks at the spiffy Class A resort might not want to see us rolling up with 5 or 10 people on board. Although there are definitely other ways to skin that cat.
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