gilunionhall
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here is another vote for a truck conversion - they dont have some of the glitz that some of the other models - but you can find them used for a pretty decent price
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Counselor1
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I ended up purchasing the 2012 Seneca 37 FS. For the most part I like the unit. Yes there were some manufacturing boo boos, but not any worse than my previous 2 units that I owned. I do think it rides a little rough, but it is easy to drive, and has torque to spare. Plan to take a 4k trip in June so I will know a lot more then.
I think I got a great deal. Mine has every offered option and I paid 150k even.
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Replant
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Counselor1 wrote:az99 wrote:Dune Hauler wrote: I don't want to go off on Jayco but 3 units I walked and drove had a lot of quality problems. X2 I just got an Embark and the quality and total lack of workmanship is unbelievable. Jayco units must be built by blind careless people with no pride in workmanship at all. The dealer and I fixed dozens of problems that were just shear carelessness when built. You would think when they are only building them 2-4 at a time, they could get some thing right. I would never again recommend a Jayco anything to anyone.
How is the coach now that you have repaired the original problems?
Here's a video put out by Jayco regarding how they build a travel trailer from the frame to completion in a little more than 6 hours. It's an eye-opener and I'm amazed how they just slap on the clearance lamps. What do they use - silly putty?  I say again - this video is by Jayco.
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Dune Hauler
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I love the knee into the tank at .52 they should slow down and get it right the first time.
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cbconway
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After watching the video, I now understand why I've seen such slapdash construction. No worker can do a good job at that pace. Sad.
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cbconway wrote:After watching the video, I now understand why I've seen such slapdash construction. No worker can do a good job at that pace. Sad.
Early in Old Truckers thread he posted a picture where a board was too short to meet with 2 studs. Instead of using a longer board they used large staples to span the gap.  (I had to choose my words carefully in the 1st sentence  )
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ron.dittmer
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I am curious. How does the fuel economy of a Super-C compare to that of a Ford E450-V10 class-C of similar length. I realize it's not an "Apples-to-Apples" comparison, even at the same length. Still it would be interesting to know.
Maybe there are no matching length comparisons. The Super-C might pick up where the standard C leaves off.
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Dune Hauler
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Ron, I can tell you a super C will outperform a V10, from my own experience my International 7500 4X4 puller with a 22,000 lb. trailer in tow would get 8.5mpg for our desert runs, which have many steep grades. As my wife says it’s uphill both directions and we always have a headwind. I tried a Winnebago 26QP (which would allow me a 5,000lb tow rate) and found I was cramped overloaded and got 5.5mpg towing. Now I have a Dynamax 34XV and after 3 trips towing get 9.5mpg and 2 trips not towing and less grades I got 11mpg. The nice thing about a super C is you don’t have to worry about overloading it we carry 200 gallons of fresh water, firewood for a week, tools, gas and supplies and still have room for more. I will also add we don't get blown all over the place and have much better braking capacity.
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the_armadillo
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I had to laugh when reading the typo in the Embark ad in the latest Highways mag.
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dsomonster
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For what it's worth, we belong to a convoy of Desert Rats that boondock in the deserts of SoCal. There are 14 families and 9 RV's in this convoy. The kids range from 8 months to 17 years old. Anyone over 18 is considered an adult and get to eat last...unless, of course, you are on BBQ duty!!!
Here is a list of the RV's in our group:
1. Gulfstream SuperNova 6400N - Class C
2. Four Winds Chateau - Class C
3. Fleetwood Tioga Ranger - Class C
4. Forest River Georgetown - Class A
5. Fleetwood Bounder - Class A
6. Tiffin Alegro - Class A
7. Keystone Raptor 5th Wheel - Toyhauler
8. Forest River Shockwave 5th Wheel - Toyhauler
9. Keystone Vizion - Travel Trailer
These are the regulars in our group and we get onesy/twosy visitors who join every once in a while.
In our group, there is a trend with the use of the RV's.
1. Class C - Our Class C's hold the most fresh water. So they take care of all the cooking and meal preparing. Number one choice for the kids to watch TV, movies and play video games. The showers are in use all the damn time.
2. Class A - Kinda off limits to the kids. Mostly used for late night adult poker, girls gossip sessions and quiet reading or computer time.
3. Toyhauler - Definite choice of the teenagers. They get to be dirty and lay around in their riding gear without catching too much heat.
We just got back from a 3 day weekend in the Mojave Desert and we discussed this post over the campfire. We all agreed the Class A is more for the older family that may boondock a bit. The Toyhaulers are for the younger family that mainly boondock. The Class C is somewhere in between.
I was one of the last ones to purchase an RV in our group and decided on a Super C since my family is still relatively young but DW does not like to rough it. She needs her space and EVERYONE has to be showered before bedding down for the night. The Super C provided the rough and tumble chassis for desert driving and the creature comforts of keeping a family of 5 (and the occasional friend or 2 or 3) clean after a days worth of riding.
I know long and boring, but hopefully I helped a bit in your decision making process.
-Ron
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