jules6 wrote: Unions good or bad ? 40 hour work week, thank a union, weekends, thank a union, retirement plans, thank a union, 401's thank a union, health plan, thank a union. If you think big business would give you all of this you must be living on another planet.
The .30-06 slug my uncle dug out of the sleeper of his Kenworth that was intyended to take his head off while he slept: thank a union. Modern unions are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.
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Except our own government. lets give manufacturing companies some more tax breaks to move their businesses out of the country. They keep telling us about all the jobs created but they don't tell us that all the jobs are in Mexico, or China, or India. You can't blame unions for that.
Unions had, and still do have their place... Many a UAW worker made, and makes a good living thanks to unions... Unions themselves are not responsible for jobs leaving this country - chalk that up to Corporate greed...
I was only a union member once many years ago and I must confess the Union didn't do much for me, but like jules6 said, if you think your employer would give you all the benefits they do and Unions had nothing to do with it, your living on another planet, especially in today's world with Corporate greed being at an all time high... It was Unions that brought you a 40 hour work week, medical insurance, paid vacations, and many other things you now enjoy in your job...
I have to laugh a bit at those who scoff at the Unions and how they "take away" your money in the form of Union dues and give it to some political hack... Those saying this probably also took advantage of the "cash for clunkers" program - not that it had anything to do with Unions, but you would probably complain about the politicians giving away your tax dollars until you took advantage of the savings... I personally know of several people who did take advantage of those savings and then had the gall to complain about the program...
The way to build a quality RV is to have high quality labor force with an incentive for zero defects... With corporate greed being what it is today, even if you could talk a manufacturer into a scenario like that, the RV would be priced so high, no one would buy it... I see this all the time in Chicago where Union members are forced to give up wages and benefits allegedly because it's their wages that are responsible for high trade show costs, but the show distributors and owners give up nothing to bring show costs in line with other cities...
Like I said, I was never much of a Union employee, but the reason all our jobs went off shore is plain and simple Corporate greed - don't blame it on the Unions - it just isn't so, and Unions of yesteryear are responsible for many of the benefits you enjoy today in your RTW shop... Without their gains of the past, you would very likely be working for a bowl of rice and few bucks a week with no benefits at all, and if you don't believe that, you are quite naive...
Les
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Contrary to many commenting on the RV manufactures in Indiana. They are not primarily staffed with Amish workers. Most are just ordinary people, many transplants from other states. Any of them would do better work, but you have to see how the companies are run to understand what the problem is. Only just a few had a policy of, (if it doesn't pass inspection), shut the line down and fix it now. The rest was out the door and to the dealer.
Management runs the company, not the workers. How can you blame the workers when management appears happy with the product and keeps the workers on the payroll.
So you know retired Operating Engineers Local 3.
I would like to suggest that Corporate greed and Union greed are in fact the same. Both are run by a hierarchy with an agenda and consider the lower levels of their organizations as usable and expendable. Both funnel vast sums of money to their respective hierarchies.
Greg
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The theory is this: A new worker, without experience, is not yet qualified for union membership. But once he learns his job and learns how to do it well, a higher paying UNION shop will hire him away from the non-union shop. And thus the union shops, have more experienced workers who are better at it.
I stress this is theory.. I also know the other side of the issue and though today.. I think it's fading as unions loose power in many plants,,,, At one time it was the greater side of the issue.
That is Unions keeping workers on the job/payroll who clearly need to be fired.
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