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I have a new 2012 Ford F250 Super Duty Crew Cab 4x4 Diesel truck.
I am considering the purchase of a 2012 Keystone Montana Model 3402RL RV that has a dry weight of 12,346 lb and a hitch weight of 2,140 lb. The dealer says my truck is adequate but I am not sure. I have not been able to get answers from Ford on the maximum hitch weight for my truck. Help!

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maxsuperduty wrote:

I have a new 2012 Ford F250 Super Duty Crew Cab 4x4 Diesel truck.
I am considering the purchase of a 2012 Keystone Montana Model 3402RL RV that has a dry weight of 12,346 lb and a hitch weight of 2,140 lb. The dealer says my truck is adequate but I am not sure. I have not been able to get answers from Ford on the maximum hitch weight for my truck. Help!


You need to use the GVW of the 5er your looking at...."dry weight" is meaningless because no one tows "dry"...you have filled propane bottles, clothes, dishes, pots pans, etc.....take the 5er's GVW and go from there....you can "ballpark" pin weight/hitch weight by taking approx. 20% of the 5er's GVW and that'll give you an idea of how much pin weight your going to put in the bed of your truck....

Base how much your truck can handle by weighing your truck like you were going camping, full tank of fuel, family, pets, etc...add approx. 200# for hitch and subtract that from your trucks GVWR and it'll tell you how much hitch weight you have left....some use their trucks RAWR to figure how much they can carry in the bed of their truck..which ever you use, just do the math and you should be ok.

again, be nice to know the GVW of the 5er....

* This post was edited 02/12/12 12:29pm by NC Hauler *


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Hi,

2,100 pounds is the dry weight or ready to go camping with a full tank of water weight?

Your truck's maximum load is around 3,000 pounds, so if you plan on carrying any passengers, or have the heavy lariat package, then you might not have 3,000 pounds cargo capacity left after taking into account passengers and a full fuel tank.

The hitch itself is rated at around 3,000 pounds weight ability, but the truck is not rated to carry a unlimited amount of weight, as you already know.

Yes you will be fine, maybe a couple of hundred pounds over or under the GVWR, but still well within the axle weight ratings, and lower than the F-350's weight ratings that use the same axle, brakes and rims, with a 1,500 pound higher GVWR for the single rear wheel truck. So no air bags will be required, or any modification to the truck.

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I found the weight info of...

12930 lbs shipping!
2875 lbs cargo capacity!
15705 lbs GVWR!
2305 dry hitch weight!

WOW!

Bigger truck, 1 ton dually at the very least.


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Posted: 02/12/12 12:25pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

3402RL

Shows a 'shipping' weight of 12,893# with carrying capacity of 2912# so that would be 15,805# GVWR and hitch weight of 2305#

At 15,805# and 20% pin weight 3,161#

What is the available 'payload' capacity of your F250 (what's left after you, passengers, full fuel tank, hitch & any stuff in truck)......and the tire load capacity?
Don't think you have enough truck without going over payload/tire ratings.

I tow a 34' 14K 5'vr with a 3500 SRW and am real close to tire load/payload.

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"add approx. 2003 for hitch"

I believe that should read "add 200# (pounds) for hitch"

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danager wrote:

"add approx. 2003 for hitch"

I believe that should read "add 200# (pounds) for hitch"



....yeah, that was a fat finger mistake...I meant 200# for hitch weight...I did look up the 5er he's taking about and it has a GVW of 15,805#...I know that Fords, GMC/Chevy and even Dodge in 11-12 raised their trucks towing capacities...Don't know about almost 16,000# on an F250, but again, I'm not sure of it's towing weights, (GVWR, RAWR and GCWR), but appears if you load the 5er up, pin weight could be 3,000# easy...it's a 4 slide 5er......

again, dry weight isn't doing one much good when figuring what kind of truck can tow the 5er....use the GVW of the 5er, in this one's case, it's the shipping weight plus it's cargo carrying capacity..add the two and you get 15,805# GVW


again, easiest way to figure out how much pin weight your truck can handle is to load the truck up like your taking it camping and get it weighed....subtract how much it weighed from the trucks GVWR and the difference tells you how much "room" you have left for the 5th wheel pin weight....Also again, some use RAWR instead of GVWR of the truck (RAWR is more)...you can use this, but you start losing some safety margin at this point.

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Looking at 2012 Ford Specs. It appears the F250 crew cab 4x4 has 3070 pounds of payload. 15,805# GVW and 20% pin weight=3,161#

3070-3161+200# hitch =-291# before you add any passengers or cargo.

2 things to consider. Will you load 2912# worth of stuff into trailer?
The payload of the F-250 will decrease some based on any options the truck is equipped with.
Best case scenario F-250 will be at the edge of its limits. with that trailer.
A F-350 SRW would be a better choice, A F-350 dually would be the best choice for towing without any payload issues.


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Combined wt. of occupants and cargo: 1,830 lb

Realistically staying within that cargo number pretty much rules our a 5th wheel. That is 1830 for passengers, gear, hitch, etc...

These F250/2500 trucks just do not have much payload capacity...

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Thanks All:
Truck Specs:
Truck net Wt. 7,262 lb
GVWR: 9,900 lb
Front GAWR: 5,200 lb
Rear GAWR: 6,100 lb
Combined wt. of occupants and cargo: 1,830 lb
GCWR: 23,500 lb

The maximum occupant load would be ~ 700 lb
Maximum anticipated trailer cargo load ~ 1,500 lb

It appears to me I would be on the edge of my trucks capability.

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