joebedford
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fly-boy wrote:A number of my buddies have gone to pushers with a stacker
It's still a bus with all the inherent disadvantages of a bus.
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Do not be fooled by the heavy axles and frames. Alot of the big toyhaulers only have a 18K rated pin box on them and that is the weak link. The rating is stamped into the side.
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crazybanshee wrote:Do not be fooled by the heavy axles and frames. Alot of the big toyhaulers only have a 18K rated pin box on them and that is the weak link. The rating is stamped into the side.
Doug
OK, that's kind of what I was getting at.... an answer for the GVWR limitations.
I guess I just wish they would offer a "extended GVWR" option or something along those lines. I would happily pay a few thousand more $ to have some decent usable carrying capacity.
PS - Anyone still offer "extra feet" like weekend warrior did?
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SoCalDesertRider
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To haul a heavier cargo load, you need to go to a horse/stock/race/cargo type trailer with living quarters. Those type trailers are made to truly and honestly carry 5-10K of cargo weight and have much heavier built frames. Look at just about any typical RV industry trailer frame and they are made of light gauge folded sheet channel and angle, light gauge rectangular tube and fabricated light gauge i-beams. 16 ga to 1/8" are the primary thicknesses, with some 3/16 and 1/4" thrown in here and there. Then look at a true commercial cargo trailer frame and you find much thicker structural channel and i-beam and thicker wall structural tube. The RV industry 12" cheasy-beam is a far cry from a real structural 12" I-beam. Look at the web and flange thickness difference and you will quickly see that the RV industry designed frame is not up carrying the kind of loads that cargo trailers are built for.
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SoCalDesertRider wrote:To haul a heavier cargo load, you need to go to a horse/stock/race/cargo type trailer with living quarters. Those type trailers are made to truly and honestly carry 5-10K of cargo weight and have much heavier built frames. Look at just about any typical RV industry trailer frame and they are made of light gauge folded sheet channel and angle, light gauge rectangular tube and fabricated light gauge i-beams. 16 ga to 1/8" are the primary thicknesses, with some 3/16 and 1/4" thrown in here and there. Then look at a true commercial cargo trailer frame and you find much thicker structural channel and i-beam and thicker wall structural tube. The RV industry 12" cheasy-beam is a far cry from a real structural 12" I-beam. Look at the web and flange thickness difference and you will quickly see that the RV industry designed frame is not up carrying the kind of loads that cargo trailers are built for.
Some what right but what your forgetting is the RV industry mantra for "minimum engineering and lowest cost". All these large haulers are designed for the weights just not the duty cycles that a user like carringb needs.
Two ways to get to where carringb needs to go -buy a one off custom hauler or buy the stoutest RV and mod the heck out of it.
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crazybanshee wrote:Do not be fooled by the heavy axles and frames. Alot of the big toyhaulers only have a 18K rated pin box on them and that is the weak link. The rating is stamped into the side.
Doug
Doug, I bet your rig is over the 18k(I have seen the stuff you haul in it), have you upgraded the pin box?
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mapguy wrote:Two ways to get to where carringb needs to go -buy a one off custom hauler or buy the stoutest RV and mod the heck out of it.
From his first post, he doesn't use his toy hauler any different than any of us. Ours seem to be holding on just fine.
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fly-boy
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SoCalDesertRider wrote:To haul a heavier cargo load, you need to go to a horse/stock/race/cargo type trailer with living quarters. Those type trailers are made to truly and honestly carry 5-10K of cargo weight and have much heavier built frames. Look at just about any typical RV industry trailer frame and they are made of light gauge folded sheet channel and angle, light gauge rectangular tube and fabricated light gauge i-beams. 16 ga to 1/8" are the primary thicknesses, with some 3/16 and 1/4" thrown in here and there. Then look at a true commercial cargo trailer frame and you find much thicker structural channel and i-beam and thicker wall structural tube. The RV industry 12" cheasy-beam is a far cry from a real structural 12" I-beam. Look at the web and flange thickness difference and you will quickly see that the RV industry designed frame is not up carrying the kind of loads that cargo trailers are built for.
Exactly- Our living quarters horse trailer has got to have somewhere between 200 and 250 thousand miles on it. It still looks and works like new inside and out. Try doing that with an RV.
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joebedford
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fly-boy wrote:Exactly- Our living quarters horse trailer has got to have somewhere between 200 and 250 thousand miles on it. It still looks and works like new inside and out. Try doing that with an RV.
I don't disagree with you point - I have no experience with horse trailers.
However, before someone else goes down the horse trailer path, check your local regulations. Where I live, a living quarters horse trailer is specifically excluded from the definition of RV - it's a commercial vehicle. It may have ramifications on your licensing, insurance and who knows what else. YMMV.
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SoCalDesertRider
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joebedford wrote:fly-boy wrote:Exactly- Our living quarters horse trailer has got to have somewhere between 200 and 250 thousand miles on it. It still looks and works like new inside and out. Try doing that with an RV.
I don't disagree with you point - I have no experience with horse trailers.
However, before someone else goes down the horse trailer path, check your local regulations. Where I live, a living quarters horse trailer is specifically excluded from the definition of RV - it's a commercial vehicle. It may have ramifications on your licensing, insurance and who knows what else. YMMV. In the US, if it has a kitchen and a bathroom, it's an RV. If you're using it for commercial purposes (hauling horses or cargo for hire), it's a commercial vehicle. A common RV toyhauler can be a commercial vehicle too, if it's being used for commercial purposes.
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