The point of this posting was to point out that contrary to the gov't controlled media reports.
The economic situation in this country is NOT getting better by any stretch of measure..
We can argue who's fault it is, maybe the data is not perfect, but the trend is still there (by the way I did a little checking on the data the drop from June to Nov. is around 26.5%) Not the small numbers that the controlling press-titutes feed us.
As an antidote while in Quartzsite, I attended a gathering, designed for folks that live mostly in Vans, or Cars (even a pris).
Last year (the first year) there were 40 attendees, this year there were 90 attendees.
The structure of this country is changing rapidly, guess I wanted to point it out to some that think " everything is fine ...Nothing to see here carry on"
I look for no relief especially this year, an election year. The many powers to be who control these things are and should be determined to keep prices high until all the politics play out in the Fall.
I believe what we are seeing is the natural result of failed domestic energy policy, coupled with a failed foreign policy that has kept supply of crude oil to America erratic, subject to manipulation by speculators, and the consequent ability of the consumer to afford the product almost impossible.
Too many players (myself included) are trying to influence a political outcome that favors a complete rejection of current domestic energy and environmental policy. Until this "I'll show 'em!" attitude plays out, we aren't going to get any relief on fuel prices.
Every time I have to pay for this artificially inflated product and especially the taxes levied on it grinds my guts knowing that it doesn't have to be this way and that I am being forced to accept policies that I don't agree with.
I can wait for a political solution that I hope is coming. If it doesn't? Who knows?
pondputz wrote: The point of this posting was to point out that contrary to the gov't controlled media reports.
The economic situation in this country is NOT getting better by any stretch of measure..
We can argue who's fault it is, maybe the data is not perfect, but the trend is still there (by the way I did a little checking on the data the drop from June to Nov. is around 26.5%) Not the small numbers that the controlling press-titutes feed us.
As an antidote while in Quartzsite, I attended a gathering, designed for folks that live mostly in Vans, or Cars (even a pris).
Last year (the first year) there were 40 attendees, this year there were 90 attendees.
The structure of this country is changing rapidly, guess I wanted to point it out to some that think " everything is fine ...Nothing to see here carry on"
Putz
If someone is forced to live in their car, what are they doing at a recreational rally literally hundreds of miles from anywhere they could expect to find employment? I can't have any sympathy for someone who is so destitute they live in their car, yet make the decision to drive into the desert, rather than towards an area where they may be able to get a job.
Automotive fuels are the only product I know where the price is posted two feet tall at every station in the country. There are many products where the price in real dollars has climbed much faster than fuel. We don't complain about the incredible price of milk . . . or bananas . . . or a can of Vienna sausages. My point is that a lot of negative energy surrounds fuel prices. Fuel has been expensive since the '70s and we all bought into this lifestyle since then. It seems to me it's time to lighten up and go camping.
Do you think that oil companies care about any U.S. consumption decline versus price?
Oil companies serve global markets now - the U.S. is not the biggest kid on the block anymore. Oil companies can most likely just about sell all they want to the rest of the world at a world price regardless of how much the U.S. is, or isn't, using.
U.S. fuel prices are not related to U.S. consumption rates much anymore. Unfortunately for us U.S. fuel users, this is what happens as the rest of the world develops towards where the U.S. has been for years.
Regarding the conspiracy theories and the oil industry, it's easy to look up what they pay in taxes, what their profit margins are, and what sort of wages they pay. If you compare them to most businesses, they're operating on smaller profit margins, paying more taxes, and tend to pay higher wages than most companies for similar types of work. Yea, prices go up during times of peak demand, as they do for foods, hotel rooms, etc. etc.
In the end, oil companies are there to make a profit. If they can't make any money at it, we can't expect them to produce just to keep us happy.
Quote: If someone is forced to live in their car, what are they doing at a recreational rally literally hundreds of miles from anywhere they could expect to find employment? I can't have any sympathy for someone who is so destitute they live in their car, yet make the decision to drive into the desert, rather than towards an area where they may be able to get a job.
Me thinks you should leave Montana and look around, not every part of the country is in an Oil Boom.
Our fuel prices in Colorado are the 2nd lowest because we are close to Montana and Wyoming, and we have a refinery here. $3.03/gal gas
I hear reports of people going to Montana for work and cannot find anywhere to stay, (even in a camper)
I would guess that there is plenty of folks trying to get any job there already.
If you listen to the MSM the unemployment rate is a paltry 8.0%...
If you check out the real unemployment rate U6 is 22.5%
1. Seasonal shut down of refineries switching over gas blends
2. No new refineries having been built since the 70's thanks to the EPA
3. No new drilling permits being issued because of executive order
4. Higher taxes on oil companies
5. No approval of new pipelines
6. Tensions in the Middle East as usual
7. Lack of leadership and a green agenda policy in the White House
8. Lack of informed and involved citizens
9. Lack of activity in the Congress due to partisanship, greed, and power mongering.
Well at least we aren't in Europe where they pay close to $10.00 a gallon, part to it being pumped in liters like Canada; by the way heard there cost was equal to close to $5.00 gal. My second vehicle is a 100+ MPG moped. Wait unitl I build my camper to tow behind it! Ha! Ha!. Oh Heck, then i will only get 80 MPG. LOL!
Searching_Ut wrote: Regarding the conspiracy theories and the oil industry, it's easy to look up what they pay in taxes, what their profit margins are, and what sort of wages they pay. If you compare them to most businesses, they're operating on smaller profit margins, paying more taxes, and tend to pay higher wages than most companies for similar types of work. Yea, prices go up during times of peak demand, as they do for foods, hotel rooms, etc. etc.
In the end, oil companies are there to make a profit. If they can't make any money at it, we can't expect them to produce just to keep us happy.
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EXXON make record profits year after year. plus they get government subsidies. Go figure..................
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