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deandec wrote:

Great instructions. Thanks.

How difficult is it to Remove red max pro #3 or Zep wet look if one does not like the result a few months or years down the road?


I think they said ammonia based products would take it right off. That or use floor wax remover and Im sure it would come right off especially if you had a power washer.

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deandec wrote:

How difficult is it to Remove red max pro #3 or Zep wet look if one does not like the result a few months or years down the road?

Although I have not tried it myself, there have been posts here and on other websites claiming that the RMP stripper works well without damaging the underlying fiberglass or graphics. Ammonia has also been mentioned as a viable alternative. Finally, over on the Fiberglassrv forums, one user "accidentally" found that the tire cleaner solution at the local coin-op carwash removed the RMP quicly and easily, again without any damage.


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sch911 wrote:

Many people have reported that RMP #3 is no longer available at Lowes. There is talk of a similar product by Zep which is available at Home Depot.

Also, I do not agree with using any kind of abrasive pad. But rather a magic eraser pad or any zero abrasive pad. I didn't use any TSP either just Bar Keepers Friend only....


Hi All.

Another vote for not using the TSP. "Its not needed". One RV'er has already complained about how he didn't wash his unit again after using the TSP, and his RMP #3 is now pealing. We have had our RMP #3 on our Motorhome for a little over a year now.. And we only used "BKF" with a "Micro Fiber Cloth" to remove the Old Wax. We agree, don't use any Harsh Abrasive Pads for Cleaning, Period. "You don't need them". After BKF, we just rinsed off our Motorhome really well. And then we washed our Motorhome twice with "Dawn Liquid Dish Soap". Our RMP #3 looks as good now, as the day we put it on. To get a good Finish, and a Great Looking End Product, its all in the Prep Work, Period. Its best to put your RMP #3 into a "Squirt Bottle", and "Squirt the RMP #3 onto a Micro Cloth", that way you will not have any "Streaks or Runs" what so ever. And it is much easier to control the amount of RMP #3 being applied. You must make sure the old wax is off and the RV is "Spotlessly Clean", before putting on RMP #3. As to the person who said what if we don't like the look of RMP #3 on it later on ? I doubt that will happen. For Older, Tired Looking Finishes on RV's, its just pain "Fantastic" how the RV looks after the RMP #3 has been done. I bought enought RMP #3 while it was still easy to get, to last us for a very long time. Good Luck. Happy Travels. Dan & Jill


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4x4van wrote:

This has been posted before, but it tends to eventually get lost and covered up by newer posts. However, some have requested it again, so here it is. I do not recommend this for a newer MH with a good finish, or with full body paint and/or clearcoat that still shines and still responds well to conventional waxes and polishes. This process is for older RVs that have lost their shine and no longer respond to wax.


Restoring the finish of an older RV using Red Max Pro:

Materials:
-Red Max Pro (Step 3) Low Maintenance Floor Finish* (available only at Lowes, about $16)
-Bar Keeper’s Friend (powdered)
-TSP (Trisodium Phosphate, powdered)
-3M scrubbies (white, fine)
- Microfiber rags (white or laundered)
-Latex gloves



* If you can’t find Red Max Pro #3 at Lowe’s, Home Depot sells the same product under a different name for slightly more money. It is Zep Wet Look Floor Finish (Step 3), about $25. (Both are made by ZEP.)



Preparing the surface is the most important part, since anything left on the surface will be sealed under the Red Max Pro acrylic coating, and improper prep can also result in peeling/flaking later. I repeat: The prep-work is the most important part! Do not try to cut corners here. The cleaner your RV is, the better your final results will be.

Step 1: Start by washing your RV well as you normally would, making sure to include the roof, and rinsing well from the top down.

Step 2: You now want to remove any and all stains, soiling, oxidation, and chalkiness from the surface. Dip a white 3M scrubbie into water and then liberally sprinkle Bar Keeper’s Friend (BKF) on it. Scrub the surface of the motorhome, rinsing the scrubbie and re-applying the BKF often. Do small areas at a time, rinsing well with water and a sponge as you go ( I used a "flow-thru" brush attached to a hose to rinse the BKF residue thoroughly).

Step 3: Next you want to make sure that there is absolutely no remaining wax on the RV, since any residual wax can cause the Red Max to peel and flake. Mix up a bucket of TSP (1/2 cup) in water (2 gal), and use it to wash the entire RV again. You can use it with a carwash brush, a sponge, a pressure washer…anything you would normally use to wash your RV. Rinse well as you go, then rinse again and let it dry completely. You should now be left with a clean and smooth (although dull) wax-free surface. Congrats, the hard part is done!

Step 4: Now comes the easy part. Shake the Red Max Pro (RMP) well, and pour some into a shallow container (a pie pan works well). Fold a microfiber rag to about hand-sized, dip it into the RMP (trust me, use gloves!), and squeeze out the excess. How much/how wet? You want it more than damp, but less than dripping. Now simply wipe down the surface of the RV with the wet microfiber rag. Don’t try to apply a heavy coat or try to “rub it in”; just wet the surface (imagine wiping off a layer of dust with a damp rag). It really doesn’t matter whether you wipe horizontally, vertically, or in circles, and don’t worry about overlaps; RMP is very thin/watery and you are just trying to “moisten” the surface. Work your way all the way around the RV. The thin coat of RMP will dry very quickly; long before you’ve gone all the way around it will be dry and you can immediately start on the next coat.

That first coat will likely look really bad; streaky, blotchy, shiny in some places, dull in others…don’t panic. Each additional coat will start to even it out and build up a deep layer of shine. By coat 3, you will be grinning ear to ear. And coat 4 (or 5?) will be the icing on the cake. Not only will your RV shine like it hasn’t shined in years, it will be a deeper color as well*. Even old, faded graphics will have a new lease on life! All for less than $30 total!

*Note: This procedure will slightly change/darken the color/shade of your RV.

Things (I learned) to keep in mind:

-Don’t use new colored microfiber rags until they have been laundered, as the color may bleed.

-Don’t try to “over-apply”, or try for a heavy coat, or you will get runs. The thinner, the better. Remember, you’re just trying to “moisten” the surface with each thin coat, nothing more. If you are getting a lot of runs, you’re applying it too heavily.

-Be careful around window frames, locks, latches, etc., as the RMP is very watery and will have a tendency to gather and cause runs. RMP dries fast, so keep an eye out for any runs and give them a quick wipe before they start to “set up”.

-Some older, deteriorated graphics may “bleed” color onto the rag and surrounding areas. If you notice any bleeding during the BKF or TSP stage (steps 2 and 3), then give a quick wipe of RMP across the graphics prior to step 4, which will seal them up. Then go ahead and apply the RMP to the entire RV (including the now sealed graphics) as per step 4 of the tutorial.

-After each coat, go around and open/operate all hatches, locks, catches, etc. The RMP acrylic coating can sort of “glue” them closed.

-You can also do the window frames (avoid the glass) and other painted metal areas; in fact, I did my entire Class C cab since, like the rest of my RV, it was also very weathered and dull. Came out great!



Maintaining the Red Max Pro finish:

Now that your RV looks like it has a new, clear coated paint job, you’ll want to maintain that new finish as long as possible, right? Well, good news. With Red Max Pro, that’s easy to do as well.

Most commonly used car wash soaps and mild detergents will not harm the Red Max Pro finish, so you can wash your RV as you always have. In fact, you’ll probably find that it comes clean much easier than before, as dirt, bugs, and debris seems to “float” right off quite easily. You do want to avoid anything with Ammonia in it, such as some window cleaners, since ammonia will remove the Red Max Pro (think “floor stripper”). The tire cleaner spray at coin-op carwashes has also been shown to remove RMP. Minor scratches or blemishes in the RMP finish can be touched up easily with a quick coat or two of RMP. Do not apply wax, as wax will interfere with any “touch-up” coats of Red Max Pro later on down the road, causing them to peel or flake.

And after 6 months to a year, if the finish starts to lose it’s shine, just give the RV a good wash job, let dry completely, and then give the RV a quick touch-up coat or two of RMP, wiping it on just as you did originally.

Disclaimer: This procedure worked wonders on my weathered, oxidized RV, using the products and steps listed above, and I have no regrets. Hundreds, if not thousands, of others have also used RMP with similar results. A very few reports have surfaced claiming "yellowing" or "peeling", but most, if not all, of those have been attributed to improper surface prep. However, these products are admittedly not designed or marketed for use on the exterior of RVs, and I make no warranty regarding their use or the long-term effects on your RV. Use at your own risk.

A few final notes:

Some people have voiced concerns about the chemicals used in the prep stages. Bar Keeper’s Friend (BKF) is similar to scouring powder, but much less abrasive. In fact, it is made for cleaning and polishing fiberglass. Used with the fine white 3M scouring pads, it is excellent for removing stains, oxidation, and chalkiness from fiberglass gelcoat without scratching.

Trisodium Phosphate (TSP) is indeed a very strong cleaner. While it works very well to remove wax from the RV, it can burn if mixed too strong or left on your skin too long. If you are not comfortable with the TSP, some have reported good luck using Dawn dish soap to remove the wax.

Ultimately, neither of these products (BKF, TSP) are required. What is required is to remove all stains, soiling, oxidation, chalkiness, and wax from the surface of your RV prior to applying Red Max Pro. Whatever methods you are comfortable with are fine, as long as they accomplish that.


If your RV still looks good, and still shines...then use a good quality wax. But if your RV has deteriorated and you are looking for a way to breathe new life into it, RMP is an option for you. Go ahead, Google it. Read up on it. Read about those who have actually used it. Then make your decision.
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Very good points about the need to thoroughly rinse all of the residue off; I've edited the instructions to put a bit more emphasis on that. Also, while the white 3M scrubbies are abrasive, they are extremnely mild, and work very well with the BKF to remove oxidation without scratching.

Ultimately, what you're trying to do at the prep stage is remove anything and everything that is not a part of the actual fiberglass gelcoat or paint. That includes wax, oxidation, stains, residues...everything.

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dw bought zep wet look floor finish pro strength.want to be sure this is right stuff.


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greyhoundman wrote:

dw bought zep wet look floor finish pro strength.want to be sure this is right stuff.

If it has "Step 3" on the label, then yes, that's the right stuff.


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Thanks for all the great suggestions. I did as you suggested and investigated Red Max Pro #3. The only thing was that all the comments were from everyone that had just put it on. I have no doubt that it will look great after the application but how does it look a few months or years from the time that it is applied. Since it does not have UV protection does it turn cloudy or yellow like the old floor waxes when I was a kid? I would also think that before you apply it the next time that you would have to remove all of the old wax (again concerned about the decals coming up). We have shine on most of the RV just dulling on the back and some on the front. I am in Indiana so I will look to see if it is in our local Lowes and if not look for the other product. Being a newbie I am cautious about everything.

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boss302 wrote:

Thanks for all the great suggestions. I did as you suggested and investigated Red Max Pro #3. The only thing was that all the comments were from everyone that had just put it on. I have no doubt that it will look great after the application but how does it look a few months or years from the time that it is applied. Since it does not have UV protection does it turn cloudy or yellow like the old floor waxes when I was a kid? I would also think that before you apply it the next time that you would have to remove all of the old wax (again concerned about the decals coming up). We have shine on most of the RV just dulling on the back and some on the front. I am in Indiana so I will look to see if it is in our local Lowes and if not look for the other product. Being a newbie I am cautious about everything.


The 8 am post on 2-21 states they have had the finish on for over a year, and are still happy with the results.

They also suggested that TSP might not be a good solution to removing the wax, they used Dawn soap, as that residue comes off easier. I am thinking I will skip the bar keepers friend, and try washing with a power washer and Dawn soap, and then use Bar Keepers friend only if there is dirt left after the power wash. At least the powerful power wash will remove all of the wax and most dirt that had been on top of the wax all at once.

This seems like something that is fairly easy to apply, and will give a long lasting finish.

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Do you suppose this would work on a Jeep Wrangler Hardtop? Or is that a different type of fiberglass?

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