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Hi All,
Hope I'm posting in the right forum and I did a seach on these items and couldn't find much.The Dodge rig I just purchased is a learning expirience.I replaced the starter,to do this I had to pull the header,and to do this I had to drain the coolant.This was when I learned that I had the 440 industrial or sometimes called 440-3.

Anyway,I also changed the belts...on everything.and they all squeak like hell.Sounded like was coming from the alternator,it looked tired so I wanted to replace it.The one I got is not an exact match...its like twice as big because the cooling fan is on the outside(on the old one was on the inside) I think the the old one was a 60 amp although everything I have read said it should be 100amp.I got the new one in but it was a super tight fit,and it did lesson some of the squeaking.

Can anyone tell me what to tell the counter guy when I am looking for parts?I always get the deer in the Headlights look.

I was able to get all the appliances working except the heater its a dual therm propane heater with an enclosed standing pilot and a triangular shaped heat exchanger with a motorized fan behind the exchanger.Pilot lights but goes out when I try to turn the gas to on.

All my internet searches have turned up nothing about this heater.I cleaned up the fridge and waterheater assemblys,cleaned all the electrcial connections and they fired right up.

Any help or suggestion would be appreciated

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If the pilot stays lit and then when you try and turn the control knob to the on position it could be one of two things.
The thermocouple is weak which is not sensing the flame properly or the valve itself is faulty and that is why it goes out when you try and turn the control to on.


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Posted: 02/20/12 10:06pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

craftsworker wrote:

Hi All,
Hope I'm posting in the right forum and I did a seach on these items and couldn't find much.The Dodge rig I just purchased is a learning expirience.I replaced the starter,to do this I had to pull the header,and to do this I had to drain the coolant.This was when I learned that I had the 440 industrial or sometimes called 440-3.

Anyway,I also changed the belts...on everything.and they all squeak like hell.Sounded like was coming from the alternator,it looked tired so I wanted to replace it.The one I got is not an exact match...its like twice as big because the cooling fan is on the outside(on the old one was on the inside) I think the the old one was a 60 amp although everything I have read said it should be 100amp.I got the new one in but it was a super tight fit,and it did lesson some of the squeaking.

Can anyone tell me what to tell the counter guy when I am looking for parts?I always get the deer in the Headlights look.

I was able to get all the appliances working except the heater its a dual therm propane heater with an enclosed standing pilot and a triangular shaped heat exchanger with a motorized fan behind the exchanger.Pilot lights but goes out when I try to turn the gas to on.

All my internet searches have turned up nothing about this heater.I cleaned up the fridge and waterheater assemblys,cleaned all the electrcial connections and they fired right up.

Any help or suggestion would be appreciated

Thanks


I had an 80' Tioga 26' class C with the Dodge Sportsman cab and the 440-3 that gave me a bad time for about a year! It got 4 miles to the gallon! I changed the starter too but didn't have to remove the header... Anyhow, I understand about the parts people looking at you like a deer in the head lights. I just tell them the year and its 1 ton Dodge truck with the 440 family 3 motor, 4 barrel carb. but usually that didn't help either! Hey it's old, probably older than the parts guy too! Good luck to you

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Posted: 02/20/12 10:50pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

for future reference
you may not have to remove the headers

on my dodge
i would unbolt the starter
flip it so it was standing on end
then bring it up over the header

reverse the process to put it back in
first time took me a couple of hours to figure out

after that it was a 45 minute job to pull it and replace it

seems like i put in a new starter every year

I have small hands might have made it easier to get them in there
but that starter was heavy


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A quick study on your alternator which may help:

It's a MoPar part number 4091460 which was originally rated 117 amps in 1975. On a test bench these alternators put out 120 amps cold. The alternator front bearing is a 6303 which is a definite upgrade from the standard smaller 6203. The 409460 has rubber bushings in the mounts and is insulated. It must have a separate grounding wire connected from the case stud to engine ground.

I rewire the voltage regulator circuit to use a Ford electronic regulator. Transpo Electronics F-540XP or F-540SP regs are voltage adjustable extremely durable and offer much more stable voltage control. I doubt if your OEM reg is allowing the alternator to field to 100 amps. Chrysler's design spec for the battery wire for this alternator is 6 gauge. Be sure your fusible link is rated for this amperage value.

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Thanks for the responses,
My 69 Chevy had issues with charging until I rewired and upgraded the charging system.It now has an alternator from an 88 fiero 105 amps at 700 rpm. I had to upgrade because I went with hei set up on the distributor.I'm not a terrible wrench but no expirience with dodges. If I have to change something out I'd much rather spend a little extra cash upgrading to a more reliable system whenever I can.The alternator I got from napa was for a 85 1 ton dodge pickup,and as I said its at least twice as big as what I had in there size wise.Looks very durable as well I had to modify the bracket a little to accomadate it.

Are there aftermarket "kits " available for upgrading the charging system?I intend to add more deep cycle batteries and integrate some solar panels for boondocking.Would also like to add a nice inverter system that would allow for electronics and other equipment to be used while in transit for my passengers.

Again thanks for all the help and responses,every little bit helps.

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I have looked for those regulators and have't been able to find them.Is there a website for them?

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