It was the Yahoo but the generator too. I could hear his Gen inside my trailer from 6 sites away. From what I have read the only guys that think the Champion is quiet is the guys that have one. The guys that park next to one might not agree. If the Honda on ECO ( idle ) it is quiet.. Lisetn...Hear it..... I got mine running right now......
2011 Work and Play 30WR. Added 2nd AC, four deep cycle batteries.
With a pair of Honda 2000i's hooked up we can run anything except a 2nd roof air, which we don't have anyway. They worked really well for us on our Alaska trip in 2010. We use a heavy duty cable lock system run through the wheels for theft protection. They also transport well in the basement of our fiver.
2008 Big Horn 3370 5th wheel, 2008 Ford F-250 Extended Cab, 6.4L Diesel. Retired Illinois State Trooper. Kids gone. Dogs gone. We're gone!!
1L243 wrote: *snip*Champions don't have a Eco mode and in my opinion are considerably louder than a Honda 2000.
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Not true. People get a little lost along the way when casting dispersion on Champions. There are the open frame units, such as the popular 3500 and 4000 units, and there is the inverter (2000i) unit that is much quieter and has an eco mode. I can stand next to my pair, both running in parallel and eco mode and carry on a conversation without yelling. Walk a few feet away and even better. Nothing that that uses a combustion engine is quiet/silent. That's where solar panels shine (sorry the pun).
Put red/blue/yellow under full load and it's moot.
So, I do not dispute the open frame generators (Champions or even beloved Hondas) are often too loud for neighbors. But be clear about which Champion you're talking about when making sweeping accusations or statements, even though it makes for better drama.
To tell you the truth I have never even seen a Champion 2000i. My experience is only with the louder units that seemed to be what most peoople were buying because they were cheap. The Champion 2000i looks remarkebly similar to the little Gen sold by Costco. If the Champion 2000i is as quiet as Honda that is great. Especially if you can get it for $499. I would get two!
All the Honda/Yamaha versus the rest of the world quiet generator discussions in the forums always boils basically down to something like - "Of course I'd like a Honda or Yamaha inverter generator, but they're priced too high."
There's the problem right there ... those little portable Honda and Yamaha generators have been priced way too high way too long. Their development costs for their inverter generator designs have long ago been paid for. Now the two companies are just milking the market with a bit too high margins on their generators because some folks keep-on paying it.
Soon (if not already) one of their Ch**ese manufactured competitors will get just the right mix of quality and reliability into their inverter generators and then finally, goodby to sky-high Honda and Yamaha inverter generator prices!
pnichols wrote: All the Honda/Yamaha versus the rest of the world quiet generator discussions in the forums always boils basically down to something like - "Of course I'd like a Honda or Yamaha inverter generator, but they're priced too high."
There's the problem right there ... those little portable Honda and Yamaha generators have been priced way too high way too long. Their development costs for their inverter generator designs have long ago been paid for. Now the two companies are just milking the market with a bit too high margins on their generators because some folks keep-on paying it.
Soon (if not already) one of their Ch**ese manufactured competitors will get just the right mix of quality and reliability into their inverter generators and then finally, goodby to sky-high Honda and Yamaha inverter generator prices!
Over the past decade I have watched the price of the Honda 2000i go up . . . by all of $100. That is 10% in ten years. So they have recovered their development costs, otherwise, inflation dictates the cost would be much more than what it is now. One sure way for Honda to reduce that price would be to shift manufacturing to China.
Sometime in the past couple of months a Honda employee came on this forum and asked us what we would change about the 2000i. Most of the requests would result in a very slight increase in price (maybe a dollar or two). But one of the things a lot of people said was eliminate the 12 volt output. Not sure how much that would drop the price if they did it.
At this point, without a lot of experience in the manufacturing world, I can't imagine a way to reduce the price without sacrificing their stellar reputation for quality. And I think that applies to both red and blue.
Note: When my old Coleman generator had about a third of the hours on it that my Honda have now, I had to replace the motor because it was worn out. I have no experience with the yellow -- how many hours can you get out of the engine with proper maintenance?
1L243 wrote: To tell you the truth I have never even seen a Champion 2000i. My experience is only with the louder units that seemed to be what most peoople were buying because they were cheap. The Champion 2000i looks remarkebly similar to the little Gen sold by Costco. If the Champion 2000i is as quiet as Honda that is great. Especially if you can get it for $499. I would get two!
I would love to get a real-world test of a side by side sound comparison. I know the ratings on paper are close, but dB ratings aren't all of the picture, when the human ear's perception is where it truly counts. I know that, empirically, a sound meter is scientific, but my ears don't necessarily follow the scientific method.
Regardless, the Honda EU3000iS is 49-58dB, the EU3000i is 57-65dB, the EU2000i is 53-59dB. The Champion 2000i is 53-?dB (I couldn't find the upper range at full speed, anyone?). I have an hour meter/rpm gauge on my Champions and at no load, runs at 3,000 rpm on econ. It jumps up to 4,500 rpm in full mode. I don't have any way to measure decibels.
There's no doubt in my mind that the Honda's have more on-board sustainable power than the Champions. I bought knowing I wasn't getting the Ferrari. I would if I could! Don't get me wrong. But I have no concerns that my generators, used in areas where they are allowed, will be any more invasive than any other on the market. Unless you are sitting on top of mine, in which case, you've probably been offered a cold something or other to drink. Come on by.
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