The only thing a dually gives you is extra tires and width. The brakes, axles, bearings, springs, and frames are almost always the same from a single wheel one ton and a dual. I own both and prefer the dually pulling heavy trailers.
M-1028 wrote: The only thing a dually gives you is extra tires and width. The brakes, axles, bearings, springs, and frames are almost always the same from a single wheel one ton and a dual. I own both and prefer the dually pulling heavy trailers.
Not true. At least not for Fords.
Go pull up the specs.
On my current truck, I got the TowBoss package, which included 4.30 gears. You couldn't get that in a SRW.
Sadly what is going to happen is some lawyer or politician is going to be involved in a accident with a truck that is to small to control a trailer this big. Then the media. Then the safety Nazi's. Then a blue ribbon panel to study it. Then the regulations. They will be stupid as most gooberment regs are that go way beyond whats needed. Then it will take a F650 to pull a golf cart.
The problem is the car dealer (salesman) that is selling the truck says it will pull it. The RV dealer (salesman) that is selling the truck says suuuurrrree that truck will be fine. The person who buys it does not want to tell his wife that the 100 grand he just spent is not really what is needed. So he just pulls the thing with " Extra stopping distance" and pretty soon he believes that it really is ok.
Funny thing is I see plenty of folks post weigh scale tickets. Those folks I dont worry about because they can do math and understand gross combined vehicle weight (GCVW) is. I am sure that the "mods" done to help bring a truck to what someone thinks will do the job may actually help. Bigger brakes, exhaust brake, higher rated tires, better trailer brakes and so on make it better but still do not change the sticker on the door. The lawyer that has a ad on the billboard will help you to understand.
Please someone post up a weigh ticket of a 16,000# trailer with a 3/4 ton truck with tire ratings and GCVW ratings for us to see how its OK.
Sorry about the rant and I wait patiently to see the scale tickets.
M-1028 wrote: The only thing a dually gives you is extra tires and width. The brakes, axles, bearings, springs, and frames are almost always the same from a single wheel one ton and a dual. I own both and prefer the dually pulling heavy trailers.
Not true. At least not for Fords.
Go pull up the specs.
On my current truck, I got the TowBoss package, which included 4.30 gears. You couldn't get that in a SRW.
Yes it is, gear ratio has nothing to do with what I said. The axle housing, bearings and shafts do not change. These three things give you your axle rating, ratio does not change that. My 2012, 450 has 430's too.
M-1028 wrote: The only thing a dually gives you is extra tires and width. The brakes, axles, bearings, springs, and frames are almost always the same from a single wheel one ton and a dual. I own both and prefer the dually pulling heavy trailers.
Not true. At least not for Fords.
Go pull up the specs.
On my current truck, I got the TowBoss package, which included 4.30 gears. You couldn't get that in a SRW.
Yes it is, gear ratio has nothing to do with what I said. The axle housing, bearings and shafts do not change. These three things give you your axle rating, ratio does not change that. My 2012, 450 has 430's too.
I didn't mean that gear ratio is the only other thing that is different.
The axles on my truck are different than a SRW. At least for my 2006.
Steve O Reno wrote: Sadly what is going to happen is some lawyer or politician is going to be involved in a accident with a truck that is to small to control a trailer this big. Then the media. Then the safety Nazi's. Then a blue ribbon panel to study it. Then the regulations. They will be stupid as most gooberment regs are that go way beyond whats needed. Then it will take a F650 to pull a golf cart.
The problem is the car dealer (salesman) that is selling the truck says it will pull it. The RV dealer (salesman) that is selling the truck says suuuurrrree that truck will be fine. The person who buys it does not want to tell his wife that the 100 grand he just spent is not really what is needed. So he just pulls the thing with " Extra stopping distance" and pretty soon he believes that it really is ok.
Funny thing is I see plenty of folks post weigh scale tickets. Those folks I dont worry about because they can do math and understand gross combined vehicle weight (GCVW) is. I am sure that the "mods" done to help bring a truck to what someone thinks will do the job may actually help. Bigger brakes, exhaust brake, higher rated tires, better trailer brakes and so on make it better but still do not change the sticker on the door. The lawyer that has a ad on the billboard will help you to understand.
Please someone post up a weigh ticket of a 16,000# trailer with a 3/4 ton truck with tire ratings and GCVW ratings for us to see how its OK.
Sorry about the rant and I wait patiently to see the scale tickets.
I need to scan in my weight tickets. I have mine for my 2006 DRW, just the truck and then with my trailer, empty and fully loaded. I will try and do that soon.
For the record, the 16,000 lb. trailer in question is the max GVWR. Full of water, gas, propane, toys and gear the trailer weighs in at 14,800 with a pin weight right at 2,000. The ONLY difference between a SRW 3/4 and 1-ton truck is an extra overload spring in the rear. Same engine, trans, rear axle, brakes, everything. So essentially they are the same truck. Even if I had a 3500 vice the 2500 I would still have airbags, upgraded brakes and the turbine brake I have now. That's all I meant by any of it.
Would I pull a 19,000 lb. max GVWR fifth wheel with a 3,000+ pound pin weight with a single rear wheel truck? No, but ONLY because of tire weight load ratings. Your dually's are still ugly and inpractical off road and for other uses.
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lincster wrote: If you go to www.fleet.ford.com you can get to the truck builder specs.
2012 F350 SRW has a Ford Sterling rear axle.
DRW has a Dana 80 rear axle.
And I get a 4 ton jack, the SRW only comes with a 2 ton jack.
Hey Linc, that's only for you four letter "F" word guys.
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