Greyscamp wrote: Sorry if this has already been covered, but did not see anything on this.
I have a 2011 Ford F350 Diesel CC SRW 8ft bed which I bought new. I order it with a 10k GVWR (just a door jam sticker) versus the OEM 11,500 GVRW because I live in the Communist State of Massuchusetts. I would have to put commercial plates on it ($$$) if I didn't order the 10k option. Well, I just got a new 5th wheel and today I just weighed the truck by itself. The truck with all the passengers,full fuel tank and cargo weighed in at 8920lbs. The pin weight of the trailer is 2k lbs. This means I am over weight. If I order the truck without the sticker adjustment I would be fine.
How do I correct this problem? I don't want to be illegal, but the truck is capable of towing the new 5th wheel. How do I go about to correct this problem? Can I change the door sticker to reflect the original GVRW that Ford said this truck can handle?
Thanks for any information.
OK, What are your Camping Trailer towing laws in your state? You should look that up to be sure you would be illegal. You would NOT be in NC. In NC. "Camping Trailers" are exempt from towing laws. Meaning, If you can tow it, You CAN tow it, and be legal doing it.
I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth (again.) WHERE IS IT ILLEGAL to tow 16K with a 250/2500 that has a GAWR less than what is being towed? I agree it's not a good idea, but unless your "hauling for hire", your not going to get scaled (I know, there's always an exception). Suggesting a bigger TV is one thing, claimng it to be illegal is a scare tactic.
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Find out your rear GAWR and subtract that from your actual rear axle wieght that you just got. Bet you dinner you have the 2k pin wieght available. The legal issues you will face if stopped and wieghed is the following:
- Tires capable of carrying the load
- Axles within wieght specification
- Vehicle total wieght within license registration wieght. This is where you might run into trouble with Ma, just not sure. At least in NC you have to be registered for the total wieght of your rig (truck and trailer) which is way more than truck GVWR and is not limited to manufactures GCWR (I am over that).
Been stopped twice in seperate states pulling just under 18,000# of loaded horse trailer in random pull everything towing inspections. I'm registered for 26,000# and within tire and axel ratings. Both times it was have a nice day by the officers. I have never been questioned on truck wieght seperately compared to manufactures GVWR.
Greentow wrote: I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth (again.) WHERE IS IT ILLEGAL to tow 16K with a 250/2500 that has a GAWR less than what is being towed? I agree it's not a good idea, but unless your "hauling for hire", your not going to get scaled (I know, there's always an exception). Suggesting a bigger TV is one thing, claimng it to be illegal is a scare tactic.
It is illegal to be over your axle wieght limits. That is one of the specific things they check if you are ever stopped for a wieght check. Can't quote the federal law (Interstate requirement) but is clearly on the check sheet I have been given during stops before. Been there done that 2x. It is not illegal to be over GVWR or GCWR though. They don't check and don't care about GVWR and GCWR.
Where does anything say that exceeding a truck's GVWR is illegal. I think you'd be very hard pressed to find that law. You shouldn't exceed axle and tire ratings but it doesn't sound like you'll be doing that.
No matter the weight, the odds of anyone ever checking anything about your rig are pretty low.
Hitch up and go camping.
KD4UPL wrote: Where does anything say that exceeding a truck's GVWR is illegal. I think you'd be very hard pressed to find that law. You shouldn't exceed axle and tire ratings but it doesn't sound like you'll be doing that.
No matter the weight, the odds of anyone ever checking anything about your rig are pretty low.
Hitch up and go camping.
Quote: V C Section 42030.1 Declared Gross Vehicle Weight Limit Violations Penalties
Declared Gross Vehicle Weight Limit Violations: Penalties
42030.1. (a) Every person convicted of a violation of any declared gross vehicle weight limitation provision of this code, shall be punished by a fine that equals the amounts specified in the following table:
Greyscamp wrote: Sorry if this has already been covered, but did not see anything on this.
I have a 2011 Ford F350 Diesel CC SRW 8ft bed which I bought new. I order it with a 10k GVWR (just a door jam sticker) versus the OEM 11,500 GVRW because I live in the Communist State of Massuchusetts. I would have to put commercial plates on it ($$$) if I didn't order the 10k option. Well, I just got a new 5th wheel and today I just weighed the truck by itself. The truck with all the passengers,full fuel tank and cargo weighed in at 8920lbs. The pin weight of the trailer is 2k lbs. This means I am over weight. If I order the truck without the sticker adjustment I would be fine.
How do I correct this problem? I don't want to be illegal, but the truck is capable of towing the new 5th wheel. How do I go about to correct this problem? Can I change the door sticker to reflect the original GVRW that Ford said this truck can handle?
Thanks for any information.
There are differences between a 10k F-350 and an 11.5K one.
It's not just a sticker. The difference's would/could be axles, brakes, suspension... ... ...
Your current loaded truck, perhaps IS able to haul your new 5th, but NOT legally. The way I see it, you have one of two choice's. (1) Buy the right truck. (2) Buy a lighter 5th.
You're right about "don't want to be illegal"
You would hate to be asked "Why were you operating with an illegal and overweight combination when you accidentally ran over that station wagon full of nuns." by the defendant's attorney.
Also, your ins. co would probably walk away due to a illegal act.
Sorry, but JMHO. Don
P.s. You might want to edit your post, to remove any political reference or a mod may close this thread.
There is so much wrong here...
Insurance will still be in force...as said earlier, they will likely cancel you after the fact
The 10000# GVW Ford F350 is absolutely identical to the 11500# F350 except for the sticker on the door jamb. You may be confusing the truck with the 10000# GVW Ford F250 truck...and the only difference between those two trucks would be the lack of the overload spring pack for the rear axle and the 2 inch taller rear spring block...if you get the camper package for the F250, you will get the spring pack.
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KD4UPL wrote: Where does anything say that exceeding a truck's GVWR is illegal. I think you'd be very hard pressed to find that law. You shouldn't exceed axle and tire ratings but it doesn't sound like you'll be doing that.
No matter the weight, the odds of anyone ever checking anything about your rig are pretty low.
Hitch up and go camping.
Quote: V C Section 42030.1 Declared Gross Vehicle Weight Limit Violations Penalties
Declared Gross Vehicle Weight Limit Violations: Penalties
42030.1. (a) Every person convicted of a violation of any declared gross vehicle weight limitation provision of this code, shall be punished by a fine that equals the amounts specified in the following table:
Here in Montana my DECLARED GVW is 14,000 lbs for the truck in my sig.
That has about as much to do with the OP as does the quoted CA law!
Please, people, let's stick to applicable FACTS! The issue is a truck licensed in Massachusetts, nowhere else!
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I happen to have a 2011 Super Duty brochure right here. It shows a minimum of 3,580 lbs. payload for a F-350 SRW 4x4 crew cab and the ability to to 15,800 lbs. on a fifth wheel. There is NO info on the 10,000 GVWR package other than it's available on the F-350 SRW.
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