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Posted: 02/25/12 02:09pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When are they going to start racing clean, instead of throwing blocks and taking the field out. maybe they will pull that stunt tomorrow and we will see the beginning of the end of their stupidity.

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Posted: 02/25/12 02:35pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking that was their strategy. Kurt goes and wreck the field while Kyle drops back and swings around the mess. Almost worked too.

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Posted: 02/25/12 08:31pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Watch Kurt's line through the corner, he enters the corner right on the yellow line and moves all the way up to the white line ~1 lane off the top at the point of the crash.Bayne didn't come down into Kyle, he was still against Tony who was up against the wall. Kyle kept coming up into him, rotating around into the tail of Logano.

Kyle Busch in the 54, which Kurt is sharing a ride in this year, was set for the win if he hadn't been clipped by the #6 going low to avoid the wreck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvNpYUywMGY

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Posted: 02/25/12 04:30pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not a great start for Kurt's so called "Redemption Year."


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Posted: 02/25/12 05:24pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Tom in CT wrote:

Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking that was their strategy. Kurt goes and wreck the field while Kyle drops back and swings around the mess. Almost worked too.



I just finished reviewing the video, over and over.
So, are you speculating that Kyle actually had something to do with causing this crash? The reason I'm asking is because Kyle had totally separated himself from Kurt, and had dropped back, and THEN the #20 and #60 come into view (having passed Kyle), and then Tony and Elliot are seen coming to pass Logano, and Kurt then moves up, like attempting to block Logano.
Therefore, if one is to guess that Kyle had something to do with causing this crash it would have to be that he had previously requested Kurt to sacrifice his public standing further, and block/crash everyone(including crashing his own car), so that Kyle could have clear sailing to the checkered flag.

I just looked at it again. Now, I see that LOGANO moved up to block Tony, before Kurt gets involved.

I'll look at it again.

Yes, Logano goes up to block Stewart, and the #60 moves down and hits Kurt on the right-rear corner, AND TURNS kurt's nose towards the wall!

Kurt did NOT cause the wreck.

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Posted: 02/25/12 02:52pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yep, it was an excellent day for the Busch haters. Tomorrow, there will be one more chance for my guys to win the big Daytona 500. At least the Busch Bros won't be in tandem.

GO TONY!
GO KYLE!
GO KASEY!

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Posted: 02/26/12 06:16am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm still dissecting the videos, stop-action isolating different frames.
First of all, "blocking" is a deliberate placement of a driver's car IN FRONT of the opponent's car. Kurt Busch did not do that. The only one I detect doing this is Joe Logano. In the moments before the crash, there were 3 lanes being occupied. The Kurt lane, the Logano lane, and the Tony lane. It looks like Logano moved up into Tony's lane, placing his car in front of Tony's car. Logano's action caused the separation between his car and the car that was pushing him. In tandem racing, this causes the slowing of both cars.
The very first sign of causal action is when a car starts to yaw. The first sign of yaw came as a result of contact between Trevor Bayne's left front and Kurt's right rear. This contact started Kurt's yaw. What follows is a frame which shows both bars yawed towards the wall, Kurt towards Logano and Trevor towards the path of Tony.
So, who should be faulted?

At the real time of the crash, I had two feeds to my TVs, Time Warner cable ESPN and Direct TV Speed Channel. I kept viewing both until I was sure they were not showing any more Daytona. I did NOT see a single interview of Kurt Busch, much less him saying he deliberately blocked. Like I said, his racecar did NOT block. He would need to be in FRONT of someone in order to move into their lane,....in order to have a chance of blocking.

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Posted: 02/26/12 06:35am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

God know noone else in NASCAR EVER BLOCKS...The haters are out in full force


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Kurt admitted he went up to block. Just remember, he is having FUN this year.

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Posted: 02/26/12 05:38am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

What Cloud said and.... Sure he went up to block or to side draft, he had lost Kyle's push when the outside cars passed him and broke that draft, but I don't think he went up to wreck himself and the others. They all block if they are leading and they want to win.

Go Kyle.
Go Jr.
Go Tony.


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