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And who else has seen tow ratings and/or GVWR go up without anything more than just a HP jump?!


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If it is a firm, never to be exceeded LIMIT, why isn't it CALLED GVWL (Gross Vehicle Weight Limit) or GAWL (Gross Axle Weight Limit or GCVWL (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Limit)?
Instead, they are all RATINGS. Seems to me the Legal Beagles would be all over that like stink on a papermill! If they could (or wanted to) make it a definite LIMIT, they would do so!


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gmcsmoke wrote:

Perhaps the big 3 ought to consult the armchair engineers of Rv.net when designing their next tow beast.


That is actually a very good idea! nothing like getting input from the people that use a truck as it was designed for.
Instead of magazine testr drivers that only seem to care about cupholders and a boat like ride!

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Regulars on here know I have been round and round this discussion several times,including personal experience of liability lawsuits.
But after having been called a liar (more than once!) I don't comment any more, but I will present facts.

What follows are four Manufacturer's statements regarding ratings:-

Chrysler/Dodge
While it's not listed in the charts, tongue weight is also an important consideration. The recommended tongue weight is between 10 & 15% of the trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight on Class III (The bumper ball) is limited to 500 lbs, and Class IV (The receiver hitch) to 1200 lbs. This requirement overrides any recommended GTW rating, between 10% and 15% of gross trailer weight (GTW). Additionally, the GAWRs and GVWRs should never be exceeded.

Ford
Trailer tongue (trailer king pin for fifth-wheel towing) load weight should be 10-15% (15-25% for fifth-wheel towing) of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for fifth-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for fifth-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label.

GM
Addition of trailer tongue weight cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating (RGAWR) or Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR).

Toyota


(From Toyota vehicle specs, towing link (2)

Before towing, confirm your vehicle and trailer are compatible, hooked up and loaded properly and that you have any necessary additional equipment. Do not exceed any Weight Ratings and follow all instructions in your Owner's Manual. The maximum you can tow depends on the total weight of any cargo, occupants and available equipment. Calculated with new SAE J2807 method.


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Perhaps the big 3 ought to consult the armchair engineers of Rv.net when designing their next tow beast.

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The towing guide that came with my truck said not to exceed the weight "rating". I would guess that most tow vehicle owner's manuals say the same thing. I don't see any difference in the meaning of "limit" and "rating" in this context and I doubt if very many lawyers would either.

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CakeHenn wrote:

I'd say that probably do get that input...but then again they probably look at the entire market of people who buy their cars and trucks and give them what they want. I live in Texas and big trucks are common and there are so many that own big powerful trucks yet down really tow or haul anything on a regular basis that even comes close to capacity.
You nailed it! Our towing/hauling situation represents less than 5% of their HD truck market. We would get a lot more attention if it was 50% or better.
That being said, the OEMs DO take towing into consideration and spend quite a lot of effort in that area.
If they took a poll of everyone on RVNet, do you think they would get consistent opinions, even from within our community??

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I got a new 2010 Tundra two years ago. I'm not sure it's still up but on the Tundra website back then they had this pretty cool documentary of how they put the Tundra to a 100k mile test with a West Texas rancher who always drove 3/4 ton trucks. They had him drive it and use it as he did his other trucks. They talked about how he often exceeded the towing and hauling capacities. They pretty much bragged how it was treated like a 3/4 ton truck and how it held up. After it was used the engineers broke it down to look at all the parts and they said how it handled all the abuse really well.

Anyway...my TT is 6300 gross so I'm well within all my limits and I'd never go over but after reading all this I think it's funny that they would basically brag about going over and it still working well.


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dodge guy wrote:

gmcsmoke wrote:

Perhaps the big 3 ought to consult the armchair engineers of Rv.net when designing their next tow beast.


That is actually a very good idea! nothing like getting input from the people that use a truck as it was designed for.
Instead of magazine testr drivers that only seem to care about cupholders and a boat like ride!


I'd say that probably do get that input...but then again they probably look at the entire market of people who buy their cars and trucks and give them what they want. I live in Texas and big trucks are common and there are so many that own big powerful trucks yet down really tow or haul anything on a regular basis that even comes close to capacity.

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