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BurbMan

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Posted: 02/26/12 07:21pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well, off to the local rental outfit to secure a bobcat for some landscaping work...I had to rent the trailer to carry it, too. The Bobcat weighs in at 6000 lbs and the trailer at 2200, so all told 8200 lb load. I call Tuesday to reserve the equipment, and the guy asks what I have to tow with and I describe my Suburban...he says fine, we'll have a trailer with electric brakes and a 2" ball coupler on it.

So I show up Saturday morning with my 2" ball and fill out the paperwork. I pay for the rental and the guy tells me to pull around to the yard. I pull around to the yard and the guy in the yard says. "You're not gonna pull it with that are ya?? So we go again about the 8.1, 12,000 tow capacity, etc, and he waves me over to a trailer.

I back up to the trailer and he tells me, "you got the wrong ball, you need a 2 5/16"...so I say I brought a 2" because that's what the guy in the office said I needed. So he reluctantly guides me over to another trailer with a 2" ball. This one has electric brakes, so he has to check inside the truck to be sure I have a brake controller.

So he gives me a quick lesson on bobcat operation, I drive it up on the trailer, chain it down, all set to go. The coupler is tight and the safety chains are on.

Then, I grab the umbilical cord and go to plug it into the truck...I look down and....No Plug!!! Only wires hanging out of the cord. I look at the rental guy and give him the WTF, to which he responds something about "the kid buggered it up", and says that's the only trailer they have with a 2" coupler, either take it or no bobcat this weekend.

He told me it was OK because "I lived close". So the rental place sends me away with an 8200 lb trailer with no lights or brakes. Surprisingly the Sub's brakes did quite well at stopping the combined load, but certainly not a set up I would advocate. I did 30 in the 35 zone the whole way and made it OK. Bringing it back in the morning. Will use a different rental yard next time.

Told my neighbor the story this afternoon as I was loading the bobcat back on the trailer, and he just shook his head and said "welcome to KY."

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Posted: 02/26/12 07:58pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Glad you didn't have a wreck because that could be one HECK of a liability claim against you


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I would have gone back inside and said, "send your mechanic outside with a 2 5/16 ball.....or a ball mount with a 2 5/16 already on it, and put it on my 'burb so I can take the trailer with working electrics."

Sorry, but no way would I have pulled off their lot with that setup with no electrics.

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gmw photos wrote:

I would have gone back inside and said, "send your mechanic outside with a 2 5/16 ball.....or a ball mount with a 2 5/16 already on it, and put it on my 'burb so I can take the trailer with working electrics."

Sorry, but no way would I have pulled off their lot with that setup with no electrics.


X2. Speaking from experience.

Is there a 2 inch ball made rated for 9 plus thousand pounds? Can an underrated ball snap off the shank with that much weight?

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Posted: 02/26/12 08:29pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Funny how everything wrong with the vehicle was a rental stopper.
But to fix his defective equipment.... no worries.

Why the H can't he pop on a connector as he seemed to be an expert at everything else


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Posted: 02/26/12 08:41pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Interesting. My local rental place won't let me rent their larger equipment because my truck doesn't have a weight rating sticker on it's hitch. Same with my last 3500.


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smkettner wrote:

Funny how everything wrong with the vehicle was a rental stopper.
But to fix his defective equipment.... no worries.


Well that was my point....he was all concerned that I didn't have enough truck to pull the trailer, but the fact I had no brakes was not a big deal....

The first trailer with the 2 5/16 ball had surge brakes. He did go inside to see if they would rent me a 2 5/16 ball, but then came back out said they were sold out and had none left. The only 2 5/16 ball I had was built into my Hensley, so no go there.

Well and the other ironic part is that my little Reese ball mount has 500/5000 stamped right on it but he didn't seem worried about that either...

Skip is right, I probably shouldn't have taken it off the lot, BUT...I had a 25 ton pile of stone in the driveway, I had this weekend set aside for the work and friends lined up to help. Where I live the roads are little country roads. There's only 2 stop signs with cross streets between me and the rental place, so it's not like there's a lot of chances where folks would be pulling out in front of me, etc. And at 30 mph I have some decent stopping power, no way I would go faster though.

UPDATE: I took the rig back this morning. I had a spare 7-pin plug in my toolbox so I attached it to the trailer. No brakes but at least I got the lights working. Apparently, the trailer was marked "do not rent" but the yard guy went and told the manager that "I was OK with it because I was close by". I said BS, the yard guy told ME that. End of story, the rental guy apologized profusely and promised a discount on my next rental.

* This post was edited 02/27/12 07:15am by BurbMan *

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Wow, So many things wrong....
2" ball limits out at 5k lbs, rare to find one for 6k lbs, many are only rated at 3.5k lbs.
The receiver hitch on the Sub most likely limits out at 7.5k lbs, without a WD setup….I doubt the Sub could handle the 750-800lbs of tongue weight adequately anyway.
No brakes, no wiring, underrated ball, mount, receiver, and TV suspension…..
Such a short distance to travel, I'd have just driven the skid-steer over to the site instead.

Unfortunately, I see skid-steers (many can be upwards of 9k lbs each) being hauled all the time on 5-lug tandem axle trailers (2” ball, 3500 axles, flat 4-pin harness plug = No Brakes) behind a ½-ton pickup…..I move over and give them a WIDE berth as I quickly pass by.

But more importantly....How'd the Job turn out?


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Oh heck, the shank and ball being underrated is no big deal. People tow 10,000lb Bobcat trailers with 5000lb Wal-mart shanks every day.

The only retail store where you can get anything better is Tractor Supply, and there isn't always one nearby.

Camping World doesn't even stock heavier shanks in their stores!

The only other place to get a heavier shank, is a trailer supply/repair shop. Those are only open from 8:30AM - 4:30PM Monday - Friday. Good luck getting in there to buy anything if you're a normal 8-5 working stiff. You have to take a 1/2 day vacation.


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BurbMan wrote:


Told my neighbor the story this afternoon as I was loading the bobcat back on the trailer, and he just shook his head and said "welcome to KY."

Didn't you live in Long Island, NY? So you're in Louisville, KY now? Wow, that's a change of scenery. If you're not from the area, and nobody has corrected you yet, it's pronounced "LOU-UH-VUHL". Calling it "LOU-E-VILLE" will get you some serious dirty looks, and quite likely chiding, from the locals.

Rental places are notorious for things like this. I keep an assortment of draw bars and ball sizes in my truck at all times just to be prepared. Also, I have gradually transitioned from the hollow, Wal-Mart shanks to the solid, forged style. I figure it's a lot better to have a shank overrated than to be underrated.

It would have been worth the little bit of lost time to find some place that sold 2 5/16" balls and put that on instead of risking the trailer with no brakes or lights. I'm glad you made it okay but that had the potential for some serious disaster under the wrong conditions.

KJ


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