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Tireman9

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Posted: 02/27/12 02:22pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Figured the Class-A was a good place to ask since more A's are towing than Class-C's.
I can't tow my car 4 down so am looking at a dolly w/electric brakes. Just read a post on another forum where someons thought that Canada and some states require all axles to have brakes. To me this would make dollies useless as you would still need some kind of brake system for the rear tires of the car on the dolly.

This have any basis in fact or just a rumor.


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Maybe you are thinking "break away"?


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I believe the brakes on the dolly are all you'll have to worry about. Some mfr don't even install them on their units which I really don't quite get. Never heard of four wheel braking for a towed vehicle. We've towed alot of miles and have never had an issue.


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I don't have one but, many like the Acme EZE Tow Dolly. It has hydraulic surge brakes.

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In-Tow Brake requirements for Canada vary province-to-province...

Here are British Columbia's basics. I'm including the rules for trailers because I believe that may be where any confusion re. a requirement for brakes on all axles comes in...

Trailer Brake Requirements
Gross trailer weight of 1,400 kg (3,080 Ibs) or less – Brakes are required if the trailer and its load weigh more than 50% of the licensed weight of the vehicle towing it.
Gross trailer weight of 1,401 kg (3,081 Ibs) to 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, including a breakaway brake.
Gross trailer weight of more than 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, and the trailer brakes must be capable of being applied by the driver independently of the towing vehicle's brakes. A surge brake does NOT meet this requirement. A breakaway brake is also required. Brakes are required on all axles.
The sole exemption to this rule is for a 3 axle house trailer, in which case brakes are only required on 2 of the 3 axles.

Towing Dolly Brake Requirements
Gross weight of dolly and motor vehicle carried is 1,400 kg (3,081 Ibs) or less.
Brakes are not required on the dolly if the net weight of dolly plus (+) the gross weight of motor vehicle carried plus (+) the gross weight of tow vehicle equals (=) less than the gross vehicle weight rating of the towing vehicle.
Combinations other than the two outlined above require brakes on the towing dolly. Brakes are not required on the motor vehicle being carried by the dolly.


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Posted: 02/27/12 02:58pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Tireman9 wrote:

Figured the Class-A was a good place to ask since more A's are towing than Class-C's.
I can't tow my car 4 down so am looking at a dolly w/electric brakes. Just read a post on another forum where someons thought that Canada and some states require all axles to have brakes. To me this would make dollies useless as you would still need some kind of brake system for the rear tires of the car on the dolly.

This have any basis in fact or just a rumor.


Never heard of any law that required 'all axles' to have brakes. That sounds an awful lot like one of the many 'myths' frequently spread by those that think towing 4 down is the only way there is.

Many states require trailer brakes, yes. The brakes on a tow dolly's axle covers that, and is the reason why you should not get a dolly without brakes on it.

You're right, if it was required that ALL axles had brakes, tow dollies would be 'bout worthless.

Since you're looking for dollies, I'll go ahead and throw out/suggest that you have a look at the Acme EZE tow dolly. One of the lightest ones made, yet can handle a vehicle up to nearly 5,000 lbs. I really like the all welded construction as well, and the surge disc brakes.

On Edit: Ahh, I see from the previous post, that up in British Columbia brakes are required on all axles if trailer weighs more than 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs). I guess that just means you can't really use a dolly there if the total weight of dolly and towed vehicle is over 6,160 lbs. I'm betting not many people would tow a vehicle that heavy with a dolly, anyway (if you can even get a dolly capapble of handling that much weight).

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* This post was edited 02/27/12 03:04pm by willald *

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mowermech wrote:

In Montana, brakes are required on ALL axles of a TRAILER that is required to have brakes.
The vehicle that is towed on a dolly is NOT a trailer, so trailer brake laws do not apply.


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Francesca Knowles wrote:

In-Tow Brake requirements for Canada vary province-to-province...

Here are British Columbia's basics. I'm including the rules for trailers because I believe that may be where any confusion re. a requirement for brakes on all axles comes in...

Trailer Brake Requirements
Gross trailer weight of 1,400 kg (3,080 Ibs) or less – Brakes are required if the trailer and its load weigh more than 50% of the licensed weight of the vehicle towing it.
Gross trailer weight of 1,401 kg (3,081 Ibs) to 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, including a breakaway brake.
Gross trailer weight of more than 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, and the trailer brakes must be capable of being applied by the driver independently of the towing vehicle's brakes. A surge brake does NOT meet this requirement. A breakaway brake is also required. Brakes are required on all axles.
The sole exemption to this rule is for a 3 axle house trailer, in which case brakes are only required on 2 of the 3 axles.

Towing Dolly Brake Requirements
Gross weight of dolly and motor vehicle carried is 1,400 kg (3,081 Ibs) or less.
Brakes are not required on the dolly if the net weight of dolly plus (+) the gross weight of motor vehicle carried plus (+) the gross weight of tow vehicle equals (=) less than the gross vehicle weight rating of the towing vehicle.
Combinations other than the two outlined above require brakes on the towing dolly. Brakes are not required on the motor vehicle being carried by the dolly.


Thanks I will post your reply on the other forum. Interesting to note that Quebec requires three independent brake systems if a tow dolly is used.

* This post was edited 02/27/12 09:40pm by Tireman9 *

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Brakes on the vehicle while on a dolly would be very dangerous since if the car brakes applied harder than the dolly it could pull the car loose which would create a real mess!


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In Montana, brakes are required on ALL axles of a TRAILER that is required to have brakes.
The vehicle that is towed on a dolly is NOT a trailer, so trailer brake laws do not apply.


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