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Posted: 03/03/12 07:31pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The fire marshal is enforcing the code, he didn't write it. That other shows do not do this says something about code enforcement, or how long it takes national and international code standards to filter down to local law, or how little the enforcers know about the mass of law that gets adopted by local officials without looking at it.

The particular part of the fire safety codes pertaining to LPG bottles in public gathering places goes back to the 1963 explosion at the ice show in Indianapolis. If you don't understand why LPG is not wanted in such settings, look up "Indianapolis Coliseum Explosion."

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Just checked the story myself (it was just one of those "been there" memories). The code was already in place, the fire marshal failed to enforce it. He was indicted but not convicted.

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OK, with all this knowledge now, I'll ask one question.....Why is a Zamboni allowed to run around in an arena full of people with a ticking time bomb for propulsion...


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The Texan wrote:

OK, with all this knowledge now, I'll ask one question.....Why is a Zamboni allowed to run around in an arena full of people with a ticking time bomb for propulsion...
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As I have always stated "RULES ARE FOR STUPID PEOPLE" and in today's society there are always enough stupid people to follow the rules.

Common sense is out the window, and has been for many years.

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down home wrote:

This kind of thing makes me angry. You have idiots making rules that are illogical, upon examination. They are looking, for a horse, to ride, to fame an glory. One example was a Tucson TV "Reporter" trying to stir the flames about double dipping retirements and including in the report a well timed little blurb about SS Reciepients being double dippers, if they have another retirement from someone; but who wasn't explained.
There are other categories including "officials" miffed that they didn't get their cut and so on.
The "porch Sitters" or Meddlers determined to make us run our lives to their fiddle are in control.
I think it was Plato who said "Those too smart to be engaged in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber."
That's not politics that is philosophy.
so nanner nanner nanner.
The National Fire Protection Association researches and writes the fire codes in this country. The professional fire fighters and engineers who sit on the code committees are not "idiots", "porch sitters", or "meddlers"! Most of them have worked their way up in the fire service in the United States and Canada. They are well educated in the field of Fire Science Technology. It is because of people like these that we no longer have the disastrous fire conflagration that we once had that killed and maimed so many people. They certainly do not deserve to be called the names you call them!

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There is usually a rotten apple in most barrels. A small town Renaissance Festival I used to work at had the opening on the first day held up over an hour because the fire inspector had to inspect every encampment to ensure all encampments had the required fire extenguishers. There was nothing wrong with the rule (it was needed) but the inspector waited until almost opening time to start the inspection. It was later found the inspector had a personal grudge against Ren Fests. Because of this and other related incidents over the next few years, the festival moved to an adjacent town, taking its revenue generation with it.

While I have no problem with reasonable fire prevention rules and their enforcement for events, the enforcement can be done in a a way to avoid unnecessarily disrupting the event and the public. There was no excuse for waiting until shortly before the RV show was to open to suddenly enforce the rules, causing the shows opening to be delayed. Both the rule breakers and the enforcers were wrong in this case. Such abuse or neglegence of power held by regulatory personnel could very well cost the town or city the revenue generated from the event.


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Firefighters etc have good ideas but at some point they become too intrusive or overburdening.
They make a suggestion and others jump on the bandwagon with that's a good idea etc.
From the foundation, then it will be, no propane tanks or fuel tanks or potential ignition sources, on or off, such as water heaters, light switches and so on.
It is all "reasonable regulation" until one day you can't turn on the stove without a class and certification in how to do it and annual renewals and classes.

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I believe this was a Misinformation. RV INDOOR shows, most Fire Marshals require EMPTY LP tanks, NOT NEW, but drained LP tanks if they had been filled before. Now, that said, IF ANY dealer allowed a partial or full LP tank in the Show, then IF caught,(The fire marshal staff test each RV), then you have a few choices.
1. REMOVE the complete tank or TANKS if ASME motorized or the arena will be closed until that happens
2. Remove the offending vehicles, but that usually is NOT an option if the vehicle/s in question are buried in the building.
3. DOT Trailer tanks are easy to remove
4. We have had to get jacks and remove an ASME tank when at the last minute we substituted a different motorhome and forgot it had LP. This was caught way before the show day started, but you do it once and you make sure it does not happen again
5. LP can be easily allowed to be opened up and leak as all a person had to do would be either open the 80% valve or turn on the LP tank and open some range burners, which would be very easy for a person to do to sabotage or cause a disaster if they wanted. Kind of hard to do something to a Diesel or Gasoline system easily. Doug

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