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beemerphile1 wrote:

Obviously we don't all share the same opinions and that is fine. Life would be very boring if we all agreed on every subject.

It is also obvious that same people don't get the concept of stealth camping and would rather judge and criticize than understand.

However, I find the personal insults to be reprehensible. Was it necessary or polite to compare a converted cargo trailer to a cardboard box? That was rude.

Fact is some cargo trailers come from the factory fully equipped for camping. Check out the Work and Play by Forest River line.
Actually, if the read the original posts, the guy with the cargo trailer said he was building it so he would not be run off by local officials. Therefore, it appears the guy was not 1) planning on staying in any kind of designated camping facility, be it a private campground, a national or state park, a city park or any other park. 2) he wasn't planning on staying in a rest area, a Walmart, Cracker Barrell or truck stop where you have permission. 3) he wasn't planning on boondocking or staying any other place where an RV would be allowed. He was planning on staying where an RV would not be allowed, otherwise he wouldn't have to try and hide. As a practical matter, that would either be private property (such as a parking lot) where he knows parking an RV is not permitted, or plans on sleeping along the side of the street in towns and cities (because pulling over on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere will almost always get a visit from law enforcement investigating if it is an abandoned or disabled vehicle). The very definition of Stealth implies that you are trying to go undetected. The only reason I can think of for wanting to go undetected is because you would not be allowed to be there if they knew you were camping.
And if he were to "stealth camp" in my home town he would be in violation of the zoning law! Now he could fight the ticket, but he will not win because we do allow camping in permitted areas. And those permitted areas are not owned or controlled by politicians or anyone on the Zoning Board! In fact, a couple of the politicians and zoning board members are RVers!


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Wow, This thread has me worried what kind of people are out there in R/V land. The OP doesn't want to pay to stay, why not? And the guy with the cargo box with the hidden insides, you need to put "Joe the Plumber" on the side to make it really sneaky. If you have to hide you're sneaky. I worked with a guy who said it isn't stealing if you don't get caught, he got caught. It's not trespassing if you don't get caught, BS.

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Who do you ask permission to park on a public street? As taxpayers we already own the street, so I guess we ask ourselves. The only drama seems to come from the people that don't understand.

Those that are closed minded and want to bash and make false claims as to legality will never get it. Those that are truly interested can Google stealth camping and finds lots of information. Some sites promote illegal camping and others promote legal camping, your actions are always our own choice.

Unless posted it is generally considered legal to overnight on a public street or other public property. However here is the statement quoted from one website;
"Even if it is not illegal, local police are often hostile to people who live unconventional lifestyles. They don't understand them and it is human nature to fear the unknown. If you are not breaking any laws, there is not much they can do, but they can still hassle you and tell you to move on. This is where stealth parking comes in. The police won't hassle you if they don't notice you."

That is why you don't answer the door, even if legally parked it would be foolishness to argue the point with an officer.

That statement appears to also be true on this forum "don't understand...fear the unknown". As a response to that fear - they criticize what they don't understand.

Here is a video about the legality of stealth camping;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdhTWWRoI4

* This post was edited 03/08/12 11:03am by beemerphile1 *


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LindanMick wrote:

Wow, This thread has me worried what kind of people are out there in R/V land. The OP doesn't want to pay to stay, why not? And the guy with the cargo box with the hidden insides, you need to put "Joe the Plumber" on the side to make it really sneaky. If you have to hide you're sneaky. I worked with a guy who said it isn't stealing if you don't get caught, he got caught. It's not trespassing if you don't get caught, BS.
Yep, the only time I was ever stealth and covert, I was being paid by the government. Following people around and keeping track of their whereabouts and activities. You will have a very hard time sneaking up on me today!

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FunnyCamper wrote:

there is nothing wrong with stopping and camping for the night. BUT if someone comes knocking, open the door and own up. and move if required. or just ask if you can ahead of time to stay there. if no one is around stop and relax. what is the big deal?

I read a blog of a guy traveling in a small van/camper (are those the Bs?) by himself and all he did was ask. every time he had a place to park at night and never once did he have to worry about trespass or any other type of worry about his parking situation. all free. and alot of people let him hook up to outside biz water spigots etc.

every piece of real estate on this earth is owned by someone. so unless stated public (and those obviously have rules to abide also)...you have to own up and open the door. unless you look out and it is Freddy Kruger out there or worse


That's what I do, too. People are real hospitable if you're up front with them. But nobody likes being taken advantage of, which is what won't-ask types are doing.

Frankly, I don't see how anyone could even sleep for fear of that knock at the door. Why put yourself through it????

Ask permission, put the camo face paint away, and can the drama.


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there is nothing wrong with stopping and camping for the night. BUT if someone comes knocking, open the door and own up. and move if required. or just ask if you can ahead of time to stay there. if no one is around stop and relax. what is the big deal?

I read a blog of a guy traveling in a small van/camper (are those the Bs?) by himself and all he did was ask. every time he had a place to park at night and never once did he have to worry about trespass or any other type of worry about his parking situation. all free. and alot of people let him hook up to outside biz water spigots etc.

every piece of real estate on this earth is owned by someone. so unless stated public (and those obviously have rules to abide also)...you have to own up and open the door. unless you look out and it is Freddy Kruger out there or worse

* This post was edited 03/08/12 07:36am by FunnyCamper *

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beemerphile1 wrote:

Who do you ask permission to park on a public street? As taxpayers we already own the street, so I guess we ask ourselves. The only drama seems to come from the people that don't understand.

Those that are closed minded and want to bash and make false claims as to legality will never get it. Those that are truly interested can Google stealth camping and finds lots of information. Some sites promote illegal camping and others promote legal camping, your actions are always our own choice.

Unless posted it is generally considered legal to overnight on a public street or other public property. However here is the statement quoted from one website;
"Even if it is not illegal, local police are often hostile to people who live unconventional lifestyles. They don't understand them and it is human nature to fear the unknown. If you are not breaking any laws, there is not much they can do, but they can still hassle you and tell you to move on. This is where stealth parking comes in. The police won't hassle you if they don't notice you."

That is why you don't answer the door, even if legally parked it would be foolishness to argue the point with an officer.

That statement appears to also be true on this forum "don't understand...fear the unknown". As a response to that fear - they criticize what they don't understand.

Here is a video about the legality of stealth camping;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdhTWWRoI4


What a bunch of BS....


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You are gonna post a video of some fruitloop saying that its legal to do? Post one from a authoritive source. Not just someone who thinks it is.

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wbwood wrote:



What a bunch of BS....


Very intelligent rebuttal, care to expand on it a little?

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I didn't think the OP meant just parking on a public street. I thought it included 'just anywhere' and what if someone came knocking

You could park on a public street, take a bath in a fast food restaurant bathroom sink and be on your way. No reason for stealth. Stealth is when you are thinking of using someone else's property as your location and wonder who might be knocking and when.

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