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CLHEJ

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Hey all. It looks like I am getting one step closer to a complete new rig. I am negotiating on a 2012 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab 4wd with a standard box. After researching the tow ratings, it looks like my max tow rating is 15,800 pounds and I would assume that is for gooseneck/fifth wheel towing.

I'm currently looking at 5ers with a dry weight of 9000-11000 pounds.

What do you all think?

Thanks in advance!
Craig


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Pin weight is the biggest problem. In most rivers the storage is in front of the axles adding pin weight. Those numbers are comparable to mine dry. My dry pin weight was 1900 according to the manufacturer. Wet on the scales it was 2400. I started with a 2500 but made the jump to a DRW. Not because the 25 had problems towing....but because it would beat me to death on long trips. We are not retired and when we go far we have a schedule to keep. With the 25 I could make it about 500 miles before having to stop. With the DRW I can roll between 700 and 800 at 70 mph and barely know it's there. If your plan is to go on weekends and only an hour os so from home than a 25 is fine. The DW feels so much more safe in the DRW that she even drives from time to time.


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Don't pay much attention to "Dry Weight". What you should look at is GVWR since that is going to be closer to your actual weight when you get ready to travel. I think that a 5er with a "Dry Weight" of 9-10,000 lbs is actually going to weigh closer to 11-12,000 lbs with a corresponding increase in pin weight to around 2300 lbs.

To me that is at the upper limit of your 3/4 ton truck. JMO of course.


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Why not just pay the small ($600~1K) price and get a SRW 1 ton? Or even better yet A Dually? If your buying new anyway why start with something marginal?


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Tow rating is one measure, and you will be fine there, but cargo/payload is more important. Don't know about Chevy, but new F250 Ford 3/4 ton payloads run from 3000 lb to 4000 lb depending on GVWR package and options. The more options on the truck, the lower the payload rating. A 5vr with a dry weight of 11,000 lbs will probably have a GVWR of 14,000 - 14,500 .... You need to look close at the pin weight and maximum payload potential of truck and 5vr.

My 5vr delivered dry weight is 11,760... Pin weight is 2300 lbs. When I load the basement and closet I add another 500 lbs ..... The 5vr Hitch is a couple hundred lbs, and two adults in the cab, Full tank of fuel and other loaded items in the 5vr, some fresh water, holding tanks (should be empty when towing) so in our case we're at a payload of 3500 lbs. That's why we went with 1 ton truck and we're still closer than I would like, but under rated capacity.


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CLHEJ wrote:


I'm currently looking at 5ers with a dry weight of 9000-11000 pounds.

What do you all think?
Thanks in advance!
Craig

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CLHEJ wrote:

Hey all. It looks like I am getting one step closer to a complete new rig. I am negotiating on a 2012 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab 4wd with a standard box. After researching the tow ratings, it looks like my max tow rating is 15,800 pounds and I would assume that is for gooseneck/fifth wheel towing.

I'm currently looking at 5ers with a dry weight of 9000-11000 pounds.

What do you all think?

Thanks in advance!
Craig



as stated above, dry weight is a joke...you need to go with the 5er's GVWR..Can you tell us what the GVWR's of the 5er's are?

The newer 3/4 ton trucks have upped their GVWR's and their GCWR's so depending on the GVWR of the 5er, one may be doable and one may not be...

As also stated, no more difference in price than there is, depending on the GVW of the 5er, you may want to opt for more GVWR and GCWR by paying a little more for a 1 ton SRW truck....but again, knowing the actual GVW of the 5er's would help the most.

Can't really go by "max tow rating" "IF" the pinweight of the 5er exceeds the trucks GVWR or it's RAWR.....your on the right track, just need to tighten up on your math a little more.


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ScottG wrote:

Why not just pay the small ($600~1K) price and get a SRW 1 ton? Or even better yet A Dually? If your buying new anyway why start with something marginal?


^this. Payload on a 3500SRW CC SB is 3931 with the LTZ package. There's a 1500 payload difference between the two so with everything being equal a 2500 would only have a 2400 payload.

not much towing capacity whatsoever.

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Move on to the 3500. In as much as you are now looking for a bigger trailer, you will be looking for a bigger truck if you sell yourself short now.

My 11,300 lb dry weight 5er is now almost 14,500 lbs. and pin weight can get as high as 3,000 lbs if I'm not careful.


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gmcsmoke wrote:

ScottG wrote:

Why not just pay the small ($600~1K) price and get a SRW 1 ton? Or even better yet A Dually? If your buying new anyway why start with something marginal?


^this. Payload on a 3500SRW CC SB is 3931 with the LTZ package. There's a 1500 payload difference between the two so with everything being equal a 2500 would only have a 2400 payload.

not much towing capacity whatsoever.


And in the real world that number can shrink to 1700-1800 pounds in a matter of seconds.


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