dirtcloud wrote: Got a price today on a 2012 Tiffin Allegro 35QBA fully loaded for $112,000. To me this sounds like a pretty good deal. What do you all think??????
That is a good price; with the caveat: What is fully loaded?
3 tv's, surround sound,7k generator,all leather,satellite,power seats, drivers door?
There's a bunch of stuff that are options.
The unit I priced had most of those options, I would have to dig out from my email the exact build list. The unit was not a base unit.
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dirtcloud wrote: Nemo45 does this formula work if you have a trade? I would love to get the unit for under $100K. I have already got him down to $112K from $119K. They say we don't had much to work with as Tiffin doesn't make up there coaches much like other companys such a Forest River does. Sounds like a good sales pitch. Plus they are making money off my trade so mabe I need to work on them a little harder.
Trades change the rules.
They do change the rules. But, it isn't hard to figure out exactly what he is giving you for your trade. Say, the dealer starts at $112000 and is giving you $50,000 for your trade, but you know that he is actually paying $96800 for the unit you are buying. So you know then he is actually giving you only $34,800. You're better off to sell your old one if you can because at that figure the dealer will only give you wholesale for you unit. If you can find what your unit is worth wholesale, which is hard to do because NADA doesn't put that info out on line, then you can go from there. You can buy a dealers NADA book, though. Or, try and settle for $2000 under low retail on yours. He has to make money on the trade too. There is no need for the dealer to make $10,000 on your trade. He won't sell it for less than low retail.
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Where do you get these figures from and how did you come up with this formula??? Bottom line what figures do you think everyone would walk away happy with?
Nemo,
Your saying the dealer can exist on only 2K profit. Just where is he going to pay his overhead and salesman commission on that 2%? Granted, if he has a decent size service business he'll make it up there perhaps, but I really doubt that a dealer can operate on that 2% on new sales. I'm looking at a 34TGA Tiffin also, so I'm really interested in this thread. I guess one can simply make an offer and see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. For all our sake I hope your assessment is accurate.
dirtcloud wrote: Where do you get these figures from and how did you come up with this formula??? Bottom line what figures do you think everyone would walk away happy with?
I bought a book on the interenet that had the formula in it. I gave the book to one of my friends, but I got all I needed to know out of it. When I say book I use the term loosely. It was more like a pamphlet. It was written by a guy who was a dealer for years. You might google it. You'll have to find out what the low retail on your trade is, and you'll be somewhere between wholesale and there, while working with the price you figured out on the new one, to get the difference.
capnqball wrote: Nemo,
Your saying the dealer can exist on only 2K profit. Just where is he going to pay his overhead and salesman commission on that 2%? Granted, if he has a decent size service business he'll make it up there perhaps, but I really doubt that a dealer can operate on that 2% on new sales. I'm looking at a 34TGA Tiffin also, so I'm really interested in this thread. I guess one can simply make an offer and see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. For all our sake I hope your assessment is accurate.
Ron in NW Oregon
Really when you have a trade its more like $4000 on the whole deal. I guess you didn't believe me when I said I have done this 5 times. One dealer's sales manager jumped all over my salesman for giving me the price they paid for it. I must have hit it right on the head. I always tell them how I got at my figures. I think RV direct sells Georgetowns and when I bought mine I got both the MSRP and the wholesale prices and a deal that really started the local dealers moving on their prices. I also tried to make a deal with Lazy Days in Florida and they wouldn't move on their deal until I got the deal from RV Direct. As far as them operating with profits of only $2000, that seems like a fair deal to me. Car dealers will sell a car at dealer invoice, but they have a 3% kickback on them. I'm sure RV dealers have much the same thing. What does it hurt to try it, anyway? But, please believe me, it has worked for me. Try it without a trade it works better and its easier to understand where you are at.
capnqball wrote: Nemo,
Your saying the dealer can exist on only 2K profit. Just where is he going to pay his overhead and salesman commission on that 2%? Granted, if he has a decent size service business he'll make it up there perhaps, but I really doubt that a dealer can operate on that 2% on new sales. I'm looking at a 34TGA Tiffin also, so I'm really interested in this thread. I guess one can simply make an offer and see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. For all our sake I hope your assessment is accurate.
Ron in NW Oregon
Really when you have a trade its more like $4000 on the whole deal. I guess you didn't believe me when I said I have done this 5 times. One dealer's sales manager jumped all over my salesman for giving me the price they paid for it. I must have hit it right on the head. I always tell them how I got at my figures. I think RV direct sells Georgetowns and when I bought mine I got both the MSRP and the wholesale prices and a deal that really
started the local dealers moving on their prices. I also tried to make a deal with Lazy Days in Florida and they wouldn't move on their deal until I got the deal from RV Direct. As far as them operating with profits of only $2000, that seems like a fair deal to me. Car dealers will sell a car at dealer invoice, but they have a 3% kickback on them. I'm sure RV dealers have much the same thing. What does it hurt to try it, anyway? But, please believe me, it has worked for me. Try it without a trade it works better and its easier to understand where you are at.
I hope you didn't pay to much to find that 1.4 formula. It has been talked about on this site ever since I have been a member here. Also the 25-28 percent off.
capnqball wrote: Nemo,
Your saying the dealer can exist on only 2K profit. Just where is he going to pay his overhead and salesman commission on that 2%? Granted, if he has a decent size service business he'll make it up there perhaps, but I really doubt that a dealer can operate on that 2% on new sales. I'm looking at a 34TGA Tiffin also, so I'm really interested in this thread. I guess one can simply make an offer and see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. For all our sake I hope your assessment is accurate.
Ron in NW Oregon
Really when you have a trade its more like $4000 on the whole deal. I guess you didn't believe me when I said I have done this 5 times. One dealer's sales manager jumped all over my salesman for giving me the price they paid for it. I must have hit it right on the head. I always tell them how I got at my figures. I think RV direct sells Georgetowns and when I bought mine I got both the MSRP and the wholesale prices and a deal that really started the local dealers moving on their prices. I also tried to make a deal with Lazy Days in Florida and they wouldn't move on their deal until I got the deal from RV Direct. As far as them operating with profits of only $2000, that seems like a fair deal to me. Car dealers will sell a car at dealer invoice, but they have a 3% kickback on them. I'm sure RV dealers have much the same thing. What does it hurt to try it, anyway? But, please believe me, it has worked for me. Try it without a trade it works better and its easier to understand where you are at.
Nemo? A RV dealer that would have to exist on 2 K profit will soon no longer be a dealer.Second off not many people have the financial ability to buy a 112K MH and also keep their 50K used unit to sell themselves
Jody, I just got an RV Ad magazine in the mail from Poulsbo RV Seattle and Poulsbo RV is stating in there magazine that Georgetown is the best selling Class A in America? There Ad has a 2012, 378 F, for $110,000.00 . There's also a 2010, 337 F for $87,000.00 . I don't know anything about Georgetown's I'm a Winnebago guy, just wanted to share the info. IMHO Pousbo RV over prices all there coaches.
capnqball wrote: Nemo,
Your saying the dealer can exist on only 2K profit. Just where is he going to pay his overhead and salesman commission on that 2%? Granted, if he has a decent size service business he'll make it up there perhaps, but I really doubt that a dealer can operate on that 2% on new sales. I'm looking at a 34TGA Tiffin also, so I'm really interested in this thread. I guess one can simply make an offer and see what happens, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. For all our sake I hope your assessment is accurate.
Ron in NW Oregon
Really when you have a trade its more like $4000 on the whole deal. I guess you didn't believe me when I said I have done this 5 times. One dealer's sales manager jumped all over my salesman for giving me the price they paid for it. I must have hit it right on the head. I always tell them how I got at my figures. I think RV direct sells Georgetowns and when I bought mine I got both the MSRP and the wholesale prices and a deal that really
started the local dealers moving on their prices. I also tried to make a deal with Lazy Days in Florida and they wouldn't move on their deal until I got the deal from RV Direct. As far as them operating with profits of only $2000, that seems like a fair deal to me. Car dealers will sell a car at dealer invoice, but they have a 3% kickback on them. I'm sure RV dealers have much the same thing. What does it hurt to try it, anyway? But, please believe me, it has worked for me. Try it without a trade it works better and its easier to understand where you are at.
I hope you didn't pay to much to find that 1.4 formula. It has been talked about on this site ever since I have been a member here. Also the 25-28 percent off.
I paid $15 for it in 1999 before you and I were on the forum. I think it was money well spent.
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