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Topic: Trouble with older 5th & new truck height?

Posted By: RVcrazy on 03/14/12 06:00am

New trucks are getting so tall, we wonder what issues you have had with bed clearance with your fifth wheel. How did you resolve the issue without having a high nose? Thanks.


Posted By: Mitchellg on 03/14/12 06:07am

I've got a 2011 2500hd with z71 and z81 suspension(heavy tow pkg). it still high, a good 3-4 inch higher than my father in law's 2005 2500.

My k-z fifth sits nose high enough, that we can't sleep in it while hooked up. The only thing we had to do was adjust the suspension. No extra tire wear so far.

Also, since the bed rails are so high we had to try out 3 different pin boxes. With the standard box turning past 45 degrees would cause the box to hit the bed.


Posted By: REWahoo on 03/14/12 06:29am

I did an axle flip on the trailer to raise it a few inches - problem solved.


2011 Silverado 2500HD LTZ Duramax 4x4
2007 Jayco Eagle 291RLTS


Posted By: agesilaus on 03/14/12 06:33am

That's something I've been thinking about since I have a F350 4WD on order. I stopped by the Ford lot and measured the rail heights and they are 59 inches. I think someone said that the Dodge trucks are 61 inches. I talked to a local trailer shop and they'll flip the axles on a 5ver for less than $300 so we may end up doing that.


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2012 Ford F-350 4WD Lariat 6.7L
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Posted By: car2900 on 03/14/12 06:48am

Same problem here. My 2011 Chevy 2500 HD is a good two inches higher than my 2009 Chevy 2500. I had to take my Access tonneau cover off as it has a rail system that is a little over an inch above the bed rail of the truck. I then lowered my hitch head about 1 1/2 inch. I have about 6 1/2" clearance from bed rails to bottom of front of 5er. My 5er., still runs about an inch or two nose high. Temperature of back tires while towing don't seem to be much different from front axle tires thus I don't "think" I have too much weight on the back tires. I will get it weighed as some point. Back of pin box still comes very close to the truck bed rails. I now have to carry a small aluminum ladder just to get up in the back of the truck bed. Just wish the new trucks were not so high in back.
The distance from ground to top of bed rail is about 57" on my Silverado 2500 HD 6.6 D/A 4x4.


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Posted By: jalichty on 03/14/12 06:51am

Bought a new Dodge Ram 2500HD last fall and purchased a new Jayco Eagle SuperLite 26.5 RLS in January. Finally picked it up from the dealer last Monday and got a hitch put on it. I was afraid of the height of the truck, but when hooking the new FW up, it appears to only be about 1" or so high in the front. The guy helping me hook up said they usually like to see a vertical fist between the bed the the bottom of the FW overhang and we were only short a bit. He said it should be ok. Hopefully it stays this way. FW pulled great on its maiden voyage, just short of 500 miles, we'll see what happens when we get it fully loaded, DW if working on it every day to make sure we leave nothing out when we leave after April 15.


John A. Lichty


Posted By: Frank&Renae on 03/14/12 06:55am

Before flipping the axels I would check with the manufacturer of the RV. There was another thread about frame cracks and some of the cracked frames were blamed on flipping the axels.
Just my $0.02 worth YMMV


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Posted By: bailer6334 on 03/14/12 07:08am

Guess I'm lucky with my combo. No mods or adjustments necessary on either, when I switched from my 07 Ram to my 2011 Chevy 4X4.


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2011 Silverado HD 3500 6.6L Duramax Diesel Crew Cab
Short Bed 4X4 SRW LT
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Posted By: Shepherd on 03/14/12 07:12am

My KZ axles are already under the spring pack. I had a leveling kit installed on my truck which should help at the tailgate.


2014 Ram 3500 CC aisin/4.10
2014 Rushmore Monticello



Posted By: AZ T&T on 03/14/12 07:55am

I had to have a 4" lift installed on my FW. Now we are towing level and have 9 inches of clearance.


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2011 Chevy 2500 HD 4x4 Duramax
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Posted By: elkhorn98 on 03/14/12 08:10am

Axle flip and 4" sub frame added under fifth wheel and I don't have enough clearance yet but it works.


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2010 GMC Sierra 2500HD 4x4 Duramax/Allison w/45 gal Transfer Flow Tank
RBW X16 Slider, Yamaha EF 2400iS
2007 Springdale 245 5th Wheel - E-Z Flex HD Suspension & Mobile Outfitters Shock Kit Upgrades
with Firestone Transforce Ht Lt 2357515 C tires



Posted By: Here'n'There on 03/14/12 09:55am

Hummm... I must have missed the OP's point!

Here's what I'm thinking.... Isn't your pin box adjustable? Mine is a Mohr-Ryde and the pin can be adjusted to 3 different heights. Wouldn't that solve the problem?

Continuing to make myself a fool... if your pin box is NOT adjustable, I think I would opt for a new pin box before flipping axles!

Sorry if I am way off base...


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Posted By: gmcsmoke on 03/14/12 10:04am

flip axles or install lift blocks on fw


Posted By: AZ T&T on 03/14/12 10:13am

Here'n'There wrote:

Hummm... I must have missed the OP's point!

Here's what I'm thinking.... Isn't your pin box adjustable? Mine is a Mohr-Ryde and the pin can be adjusted to 3 different heights. Wouldn't that solve the problem?

Continuing to make myself a fool... if your pin box is NOT adjustable, I think I would opt for a new pin box before flipping axles!

Sorry if I am way off base...


In my situation, if I would have just adjusted the pin box I would have been either very nose high or wouldn't have had any clearance between the FW and the truck bed. That's why I fully extended the pin box to get the clearance and then added the 4" trailer lift to level the FW.


Posted By: Snowman9000 on 03/14/12 06:47pm

And we will soon need a staircase to get into our 5ers.


2014 Sunseeker 2300 Class C (Chevy 4500)



Posted By: HarleyEnough on 03/14/12 07:12pm

You can replace your 3 step RV steps with a 4 step model. Some of the new fivers are coming with them. Or you can build a little box to set at the bottom if raising the fiver has pulled the bottom step too far from the ground.


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Posted By: mobilcastle on 03/15/12 05:24am

Change to a standard pin box-it usually works. Gets the pin box inside the rails. In looking at some new 5vers it appears the pin boxes and mounting wings on some models are being cut on an angle to help with higher bed rails.


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Posted By: cKarlGo on 03/15/12 06:45am

RVcrazy wrote:

New trucks are getting so tall, we wonder what issues you have had with bed clearance with your fifth wheel. How did you resolve the issue without having a high nose? Thanks.


When I went from my F250 to my Chevy 3500, I had to drop the pin on my 5er. Even though the truck was lower (F250 had the offroad package) the Chevy had a deeper bed.

Many factors play into this beyond the height of your truck.


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Posted By: nisham on 03/15/12 04:07pm

I had same problem. I flipped axles and still hit my trailer when going down with front of truck and trailer coming up a hill an inverted V situation. I had a body shop cut from the center pin pockets on bed of truck down and the toward the top of the taillight and cut the tailgate down also. It was done to a 2004 Dodge 2500 4x4. The cost was 1500 dollars but well worth it to me. I no longer have to worry about going over a bump or rise. I do do a lot of offroad camping with a 30 WBLE Cardinal.


Posted By: greende on 03/15/12 04:20pm

It seems as though the 5er manufacturers are getting smarter. My new 2012 Cougar came flipped from the factory and it rides pretty close to normal. It also has mor ryde equalizers from the factory and the pinbox is chamfered at the back to keep from hitting the side of the box. I may need to do a little tweaking but it was pretty good right out of the box when hooked to the 3500HD DRW.


2011 Chevy 3500 HD LTZ Duramax/Allison Crew Cab Long Box DRW
B&W Turnover Ball with Companion

2012 Keystone Cougar 293 SAB 5er



Posted By: MTPockets1 on 03/15/12 04:30pm

Our 2012 F350 and 2012 Big Horn 3055RL ride level with plenty of bed clearance - 8" - First time hook up was perfect. I'm wondering if it's the newer 5vr's? Don't know, but ours is good.


2012 3055RL Big Horn - Dexter upgraded axles - G rated LT Tires
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2013 F350 DRW 4x4 Crew King Ranch



Posted By: Eng208 on 03/15/12 05:28pm

I have a 97 Ram 2500 4x4 stock and a 95 Four Winns. I don't think this is a new problem. My set up rides a little nose high. I can't imagine a truck sitting taller than my old Dodge in the rear. In order to get the 6" clearance between the sides and the underside of the camper, I have to ride several inches nose high, but it has not caused a problem so far.


97 Dodge 2500 Ext Cab 4X4 CTD with Goerend Transmission mod.(GVWR 8800lbs, or 4000 Kg)
95 Four Winds Fifth Wheel
99 Toyota Fourrunner V6


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