Most states have rules that are very reasonable concerning the transportation of firewood… firewood has rightly been targeted because it is known to have a high risk for spreading infestations long distances… it seems reasonable to believe that campers are the most likely group of people carrying wood into the forest, and that causes the start new infestations…
Most loggers are on board with the bans and have rules they must follow as well for transporting timber… its their livelihoods at stake… they of all people don’t want their forest destroyed…
Their rules are mostly federal and may be different for the type of tree or pest involved…
I guess there will always be some unscrupulous loggers and campers willing to throw caution to the wind to save a dollar or two… I hope each and every one of them get caught and am all for stepped up enforcement if that is what it takes…
I am not sure about bulk transit of firewood being the real problem, or even what is meant by bulk transit… most firewood is sold locally to where it is sourced, if its not it would need to be certified clean or certified treated… not really that difficult to do…
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JJBIRISH wrote: Most states have rules that are very reasonable concerning the transportation of firewood… firewood has rightly been targeted because it is known to have a high risk for spreading infestations long distances… it seems reasonable to believe that campers are the most likely group of people carrying wood into the forest, and that causes the start new infestations…
Most loggers are on board with the bans and have rules they must follow as well for transporting timber… its their livelihoods at stake… they of all people don’t want their forest destroyed…
Their rules are mostly federal and may be different for the type of tree or pest involved…
I guess there will always be some unscrupulous loggers and campers willing to throw caution to the wind to save a dollar or two… I hope each and every one of them get caught and am all for stepped up enforcement if that is what it takes…
I am not sure about bulk transit of firewood being the real problem, or even what is meant by bulk transit… most firewood is sold locally to where it is sourced, if its not it would need to be certified clean or certified treated… not really that difficult to do…
Bulk transit of fire would is what C.B. wrote about the 110 car logging train that went by him. If you think that every log on the train was inspected then I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I want to sell you.
I new I should not have click on this topic. I think it is time to close it. Everyone has there own view on this and everytime someone post a topic involving Firewood it goes on forever. I like most get sucked in the topic and can not keep from adding my 2 cents. Its like when you where little and your mouth got you in trouble because you could not keep it shut.
I work at a Home Improvement store and they often sell off pieces of lumber when the entire pieces is not usualable. This lumber because it is kiln dried and would be free of bugs. I have had had no problems taking it to campgrounds- it is cable of being boxed up and easly transported. Hope this helps others.
Well I guess it is ok to put our illegal firewood in a Tupperware container and smuggle it into a campground. I would have never thought of that. It doesn't really matter that I'll cause permanent damage to our natural resources. After all it is really all about me. No one really needs to be responsible for future generations.
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I guess he should be aware of the compliance agreement they must have and follow in his state… it must be carried for each load in the cab of each truck…
“ Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection
EMERALD ASH BORER COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT
Transport of Regulated Articles, Ash Logs, Lumber, Stumps, Branches, and Chips (Excluding Firewood) To Approved Facility
OUTSIDE QUARANTINED AREA “
It doesn’t hurt to learn what the problem is and what the risk and REASONABLE control measures are and how they work to control the spread…
There would be no need for each log to be inspected, that is just make argument talk and of no value… but it seems you acquired a bridge at some point and now you want to unload it…
If the product is sourced in a quarantined area the entire load is infected, and must be handled as such… that you can research on your own, I have…
Still the biggest threat is firewood… and as you can see by reading these threads voluntary compliance won’t work… but my hat is off to those that care enough to do the right thing…
If enough don’t help by following the rules, the next law will be a outright ban on wood campfires…
OK. I like how problems such as the EAB is the fault of people! bugs have been around forever, before their were humans! trees will become immune to them and then trees will make a comeback. then some other bug will show up, and guess who`s fault it will be? ours! you can believe whatever you want from the govt. It is very easy to point fingers instead of telling it like it is. It's nature. Last I checked you can't control nature.
I'll keep bringing it and will not lose sleep over it!
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dodge guy wrote: OK. I like how problems such as the EAB is the fault of people! bugs have been around forever, before their were humans! trees will become immune to them and then trees will make a comeback. then some other bug will show up, and guess who`s fault it will be? ours! you can believe whatever you want from the govt. It is very easy to point fingers instead of telling it like it is. It's nature. Last I checked you can't control nature.
I'll keep bringing it and will not lose sleep over it!
Actually EAB is peoples fault.... I found this in the FAQ part of www.emeraldashborer.info
Where did the emerald ash borer come from?
The natural range of Agrilus planipennis, or the emerald ash borer, is eastern Russia, northern China, Japan, and Korea. Before June of 2002, it had never been found in North America.
How did it get here?
We don't know for sure, but it most likely came in ash wood used for stabilizing cargo in ships or for packing or crating heavy consumer products.
How is this pest spread?
We know EAB adults can fly at least 1/2 mile from the tree where they emerge. Many infestations, however, were started when people moved infested ash nursery trees, logs, or firewood into uninfested areas. Shipments of ash nursery trees and ash logs with bark are now regulated, and transporting firewood outside of the quarantined areas is illegal, but transport of infested firewood remains a problem. PLEASE - do not move any ash firewood or logs outside of the quarantined area.
The EAB beetle is not native to North America and since it apparently is not migratory capable of flying across the Pacific Ocean people brought them over to North America where they don't have natural predators and they are starting to decimate the Ash forests. The best way they have right not to control it is not move firewood and follow the rules in place even if you don't understand them or agree with them.
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Environmentalists are so hell-bent on thinking that they can control nature, that they live in a false reality. We had forest areas on SE MASS which were devastated by insects just a few years ago. A quick look in the areas today, reveals that is is difficult to see any signs of that devastation now. In such a short time, everything appears nearly normal.
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dodge guy wrote: OK. I like how problems such as the EAB is the fault of people! I like how people make radical, nonsensical statements to justify breaking the law or doing what they want—you know, the ME generation personified (I see you haven’t changed you opinion since the last “firewood discussion”).
bugs have been around forever, before their were humans! And…
trees will become immune to them and then trees will make a comeback. Only if they don’t forget to get their EAB shots—both base and booster shots! There is a world of difference between the plant and animal kingdoms.
then some other bug will show up, and guess who`s fault it will be? ours! Humans don’t create bugs, they just distribute them. When a foreign bug “shows up” it probably can be attributed to human activity because bugs haven’t established their own airlines yet.
you can believe whatever you want from the govt. I’m skeptical of the government but your mis-guided declarations, both past and present, are baseless and selfish.
It is very easy to point fingers instead of telling it like it is. It's nature. Last I checked you can't control nature. We control nature to some degree by using antibiotics and other medicines. Just like you don’t want to “pass” the flue when you have it (I assume you don't sneeze on other people), we don’t want to “pass” the EAB into a “pristine” environment—that’s why we have “wood laws”.
I'll keep bringing it and will not lose sleep over it! A lot of other people are loosing sleep and money over it because of inconsiderate people—you’re the reason the “firewood laws” were created in the first place. Even if the law doesn't work, you are duty-bound to abide by it.
I will admit that it takes a lot of guts to public ally declare that you’re a very large “ME” PERSON" and seemingly only concerned about yourself and your wallet (as per your previous posts).
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