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nadsab

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Posted: 04/01/12 05:42pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Paul,

First question is how much do you want to spend?

If it is just the two of you, and you like to visit the mountains, and size does not matter, and you want to spend under 50 grand, a Four Winds class C is in expensive, reliable, not fancy but very easy to get into tight areas, sharp curves. The reason why we bought ours, is one year we went to Yosemite natl Park and there are some pretty sharp hair pin turns on some mountain roads which a shorter class C can navigate no problem compared to the long Diesel pushers or longer Class C's. Ours is only 23 feet long, not much bigger than an extended bed SUV.

I would recommend to buy a two or three year old unit (what ever you buy) with low miles. We bought our class C only two years old for 35 thousand bucks and it only had 3 thousand miles on it, it was in mint condition. Buying almost new will save you close to 20 grand if in the class C market. Plus we got an extended mileage warranty on it.

If you have the bucks, and want a smaller luxury unit check out the Pleasure way or the Road Trek class B vans. They are great get better mileage but are more pricey and a bit more cramped. With a Class C you can walk front to back standing up without bending over.

Only drawback is mileage, we get about 12 to 14 MPG on highway but the Class B's some of them get 18 MPG or better.

Oh and if you get a Class C, I reccomend a GM chassis for the simple reason that you will have a lot more leg - foot room up front with the GM - the fords although they have a bit larger engines - our GM Chassis 6 liter V-8 has plenty of power and it will still tow up to 5,000 lbs if you want to tow something. I think the difference, the ford class C chassis have the 6.8 liter and the only reason you would need that is if you are towing something heavy.


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Posted: 04/02/12 09:47pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ron.dittmer wrote:

Hi Paul,

This is a very long read, but if you absorb all of it, it would help in making a better educated choice.

Ron

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When shopping for a motor home, don't get distracted with what I call "Eye Candy". You want to pay close attention to how the house is constructed. Rain, ice, and snow-melt is the number one killer of motor homes, rotting them away long before anything is worn out. Once water gets in, it is like termites. By the time you realize there is a problem, a lot of damage has already occurred. Mold can also form and then you have a health hazard. My advise focuses on identifying a Reliably Well Sealed motor home.

#1 BEST (Very Expensive, Can Be 1.75 to 2 times the cost of Second Best)
NO structural seam work.
The brand Coach House RV is a fine example. Google them and see what I mean. It is seamless, made from a mold. The only places where water can leak is cutouts for windows, door, roof-top vents and a/c unit, all of which are in areas of very low stress. Because they have a seamless shell, these motor homes are limited in size.

#2 SECOND BEST (common, affordable, and comes in many sizes, so this is my main focus)
I own an example of this kind. SEE IT HERE
Made in sections, but assembled in a way that greatly reduces the threat of water.
Here are the good things you want to look for.

a) All Structural Seams Located Away From Corners
Seam work in the corners and edges is bad. Seam work away from them is good. When a motor home is driven, the house bounces, resonates, shakes, and leans, many thousands of times. Corner seams see greater stresses than seams located elsewhere. Corner seams are more easily split, especially when the caulk gets brittle with age & exposure to the sun. One extremely bad bump in the road can instantly breach a corner seam. Seams hold up much better when they are brought in from the corners in lower stressed areas.

b) A Seamless Over-The-Van Front Cap
A huge bed above the van’s roof is the most vulnerable area of a motor home. No matter how well they are made, that long frontal over-hang resonates when the RV is driven. It is common for seams to split there, most troublesome with age & exposure to the elements. The small front aerodynamic cap of a B+ design eliminates the overhang which eliminates most of the resonation, along with most seam work. There are a few conventional “C” Designs (big over-van bed) where that area is seamless. If you absolutely must have that huge bed, then be sure to get a seamless design. If you plan to accommodate more than 2 people, that extra bed would be extremely important.

c) A Crowned Roof
Rain and snow melt runs off a crowned roof. A flat roof will sag over time, then water puddles around heavy roof-top items like the a/c unit. Water eventually finds it's way inside after the caulk has dried out from age & sun, as well as fatigue from the change in seasons.

d) Rolled-Over-The-Edge seamless Fiberglass Roof Sheathing
A single sheet of fiberglass that rolls over the right & left sides of the roof, down the wall a few inches. The fiberglass sheathing holds up better than roofs made of sheet rubber or thin plastic called TPO, which require more attention to keep your RV well protected.

e) A 5 Sided Rear Wall
This 5 sided back wall moves the seams around to the sides to areas of much less stress.


Potentially Troublesome Construction Try to avoid this if possible.
Entry level motor homes are made with seams in corners and finished off with trim. They are most affordable, and come in all sizes. If considering this type, keep in-mind they require more regular care with bi-annual inspections. Plan to use a caulking gun now and then. When buying a used one, consider that you really don't know how well the previous owner maintained it. Buying new or used, that construction method will be counting on you to be a good non-neglectful owner.


There are also rare exception like the Lazy Daze which has seam work in the corners, but the substructure and sealing method is of the highest quality that it holds up like a seamless body. It's excellent sectional construction methods are not commonly found in other brands. I am no expert on this, but I'd give it a #1.5 Almost Like Best


About the chassis. The most popular is the Ford E-Series with the V10 engine. The Sprinter diesel is bringing up the rear, becoming popular in the smaller sizes. The GM chassis is not popular, but not a bad choice. Any of those three brands since 1998 are real good, new or used. If you plan to tow a car or trailer, then I advise to avoid the Sprinter because it lacks the power of the others. But there are a few people who tow cars with a Sprinter. They just take it easier to make it work for them.

Just about every motor home manufacture offers one or more slide outs. LazyDaze is only one I know who does not. I own a Phoenix Cruiser which is offered with and without slide outs, per individual request. Ours, the #2 Second Best example given, does not have a slide out by our request. We special ordered it that way. It's not a popular decision, but we are extremely pleased with our choice. If done over again, we’d get the same motor home, brand & model, but with a few extra options added.


If considering a recent “small” class B+/C motor home, here is a comparison between the two main contenders, the Sprinter with the V6 diesel engine and the Ford E350 with the V10 gasoline engine.

Advantages Of The Sprinter With Diesel Engine
- Provides a 1/3 improvement in fuel economy over the Ford-V10, when both are loaded and driven the same.
- More comfortable driver compartment with more leg room.
- Made by Mercedes which people are attracted to.
- Has a better resale value.

Advantages Of The Ford E350 with V10 Engine
- Given identical motor homes both brand and model, the Ford is around $14,000 MSRP cheaper
- The Ford V10 engine has 50% more horse power and torque
- The Ford E350 chassis handles 1430 pounds more weight.
- The E350 is able to tow a heavier load.
- The E350 rear axle is significantly wider which translates to better stability.
- In most places traveled, gasoline costs less than diesel fuel
- The Sprinter diesel has limited mechanical service shops around North America
- The Sprinter diesel is typically outfitted with a propane generator. A diesel generator costs thousands more and is heavier. Propane is a critical fuel for RV operations, and generally needs to be rationed when dry camping.
- Per the owners manual, the V6 Sprinter diesel engine is not allowed to idle for extended periods. This limitation is detrimental when you need a/c but there are generator restrictions or you are dangerously low on propane, or you have a mechanical failure with the generator or roof a/c.
The Ford V10 idles quiet and will pump out very cold dash a/c far into a smaller cabin very effectively. It can safely idle for hours on end. Idling the Ford V10 will consume as much fuel as the generator, so you have an economical a/c backup plan for a/c and battery charging. This is valuable if you have a baby, pets, or health/respiratory issues.

You decide what your priorities are, and pick the appropriate chassis. There are some really sweet motor homes being built exclusively on the Sprinter chassis, such as the Winnebago Via, View and View Profile. Others like Phoenix USA build their model 2350 and 2400 on both the Sprinter and Ford E350. They will even build it on the heaviest duty E450 upon request for a nominal fee. People who request an E450 for a small motor home, tow heavier things like for example, a multi-horse trailer.

There is so much cool stuff offered in recent years.


"Per the owners manual, the V6 Sprinter diesel engine is not allowed to idle for extended periods."

Ron, would you care to show us where in the manual it says that?

I can't find it in mine.


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happytallone wrote:

We are 2 seniors and traded a Montana 5th wheel on a new smaller 2011 C class diesel last year. We have just returned on a road trip to Panama Canal which took us 8 months. The convenience of being able to drive and park just about anywhere was fantastic after 5 years of travelling States, Canada, Alaska and Mexico and having to set up the 5th wheel,so that we could then drive the truck. What a pain. Now we just drive to our convenience and stop when and where its suitable. No having to back track to the trailer each day. Travelling in the smaller rig is so much more pleasurable. We could not have done Mexico and Latin America in the big rig. Which was a spectacular trip in all ways. So small rig paid for its self in one trip. Later this year we ship the C class to South America. Really looking forward to this one. Hope this gives you assistance in your decision. One more thing, get rid of the dogs. Take up too much space and very smelly in a small area. You have a top day.


My wife and I totally agree. After boats, basic old Class C,, and restoring (trying to keep up with the deterioration) of a VixenRV we recently bought a used Class C (Sprinter diesel base with a slide) and love it. We've love to know more about your Mexico and Latin America trip, having made to excursions to Peru and Ecuador recently. Our RV would be perfect and we're consider it if wwe know more about it. Email is 'tjandsar@gmail.com' - - - festlina lente, tj

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