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Turtle n Peeps

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Yes, your flourescents must be carefully disposed of here in Calif. If you break one, then it's HAZMAT time. Who follows those rules? Probably no one unless they're caught.


True story for those of you that don't believe Eightball. Well, at least they are considered hazardous waste.


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pbarnett85 wrote:

snip...
Wait a minute, we vote the people who work at CARB into "office"? Thats news to me...I thought they just did what they wanted when they wanted....And Ben, 100% agree with you, all the natives are leaving. I can trace my family living if CA back to 1849 and the gold rush. Now I'm hoping to get orders to the east coast (VA) and never come back. So sad what a great state this once was.


It's an organization run by politically appointed board and that is
where I'm talking about non-techie folks running the organization.
That those appointing the CARB heads and then the middle management
are all voted in by the voting population. Too often, these agencies
have heads of state that are politically appointed (favors) and not
just any State, but at the National level too

Just as mentioned, that MTBE fiasco was mandated without proper technical
knowledge of which they are legislating

I'm sticking it out here in Calif, as that is my home. It's a free
country and folks can live where ever they wish or can. I visit other
states as often as I can

Do own fire arms, but that is an uphill discussion and not just here
in Calif, but have had similar in other states too. A buddy who lives
in Houston is complaining about the new mindset on gun control too
and he sends me this video often...
2nd Amendment: TX Massacre Tragedy might have been averted - Suzanna Gratia-Hupp

Her comment at about 5:08 is smack on and resonates with me to the core...

Love her pointed (both figurative and literal) words to the guys
behind the panel...my point is that 'you folks' also have these types
of idiots too....

* This post was edited 04/02/12 11:09am by BenK *


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1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...

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Highway 4x4 wrote:

and if cal is headed into the tank, just remember that "California leads the nation". OK, stop laughing.


Is it too late for California to be severed from the rest of the mainland with explosives, towed out to sea, and scuttled in deep water?


John and Elizabeth (Liz), with 3 nutty cats
My beloved St. Bernard, Marm, lost him 1/2/12
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1992 International Genesis school bus conversion

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Kip81 wrote:

garysol wrote:

Wills250psd wrote:

Whats a CAT,DPF,and EGR? LOL sound like a abreviation for junk.


There abbreviations for items that will help your kids and there kids to breath cleaner fresher air. My "junk" is doing its job to help keep this world a better cleaner place.


How is your junk doing its job? So you truck doesn't put off a puff of black smoke when you take off but you burn more fuel than the truck that that smokes a little. How is a truck better for the air if it burn more fuel?


Depends what you consider doing its job. My old truck would belch smoke on startup and there would be a little trail of soot on the garage floor. That stuff is harmful to your health. Where my old truck had a good layer of soot in the tailpipe, my new on has none.

The new ones burn a bit more fuel and so produce more CO2 but that is relatively harmless to a persons health.


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and if cal is headed into the tank, just remember that "California leads the nation". OK, stop laughing.

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I can't wait to get back to Arizona after having been in California for several years now. However, I don't think it will quite be the same Arizona I left, though it has to be better than California has become now.


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I have a part-time job driving charter buses. When the new buses with dpf filters arrived, we were having chronic problems with the buses going into regen and then going into "limp" mode essentially disabling the bus because the regen cycle couldn't complete within a certain period of time. Now, when the bus starts its regen cycle and we're driving in the city running shuttles, we have to override the transmission and hold the bus in a lower gear and work the engine much harder so that the regen cycle can complete before the vehicle goes into limp mode.

If it goes into limp mode, we have to park the bus, walk to the back and start a manual regen cycle. The bus will sit there for 45 - 90 minutes screaming while the dpf filter gets cooked out. The first time we ran such a regen, the bus burned a 2 foot hole in the asphalt in the parking lot so now we have regen over gravel or dirt. Needless to say, we waste a ton of fuel.

And we're saving the environment with this stuff how??????


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Posted: 04/08/12 12:44pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

On the other hand, if you vehicle is used primarily for towing on the highway, regens should be rare.

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whjco wrote:

I have a part-time job driving charter buses. When the new buses with dpf filters arrived, we were having chronic problems with the buses going into regen and then going into "limp" mode essentially disabling the bus because the regen cycle couldn't complete within a certain period of time. Now, when the bus starts its regen cycle and we're driving in the city running shuttles, we have to override the transmission and hold the bus in a lower gear and work the engine much harder so that the regen cycle can complete before the vehicle goes into limp mode.

If it goes into limp mode, we have to park the bus, walk to the back and start a manual regen cycle. The bus will sit there for 45 - 90 minutes screaming while the dpf filter gets cooked out. The first time we ran such a regen, the bus burned a 2 foot hole in the asphalt in the parking lot so now we have regen over gravel or dirt. Needless to say, we waste a ton of fuel.

And we're saving the environment with this stuff how??????



I bet you the buses were converted to DPF, or alternatively, first generation DPF installations.

Somebody buggered up the DPF install, placing it too far back (for whatever reason) and not getting enough heat from the combustion process.

If it was a retrofit, they should have gone with a DPF that is "plug in" electrical regen that is done at the end of each day for buses, or week for school buses.

If it was a first gen DPF, it was poor engineering (similar issue to DPF with 6.4) and insufficient heat / incorrect estimates / thermal modeling of the DPF in operation.

There is a fix... if those buses are still in use.. beyond the one you are using of high RPM idling --- that involves increasing the heat in the DPF.

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Posted: 04/07/12 12:37pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

NewsW wrote:

Interesting that few people appear to be interested or care about the health reasons why diesel emissions need to be controlled.


Interest/care:

You make the assumption that nobody besides yourself is informed.

It may seem surprising, but you're not the *only* informational source of "News" in the "W", N, S, or E.

Some may not see any reason to respond to the topic..

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