I want a new truck but I am so, upset, with what they have done to the diesel I refuse to buy one and I hope I am not alone, AND I hope the big wigs and salesmen at all the dealerships read this.
And what is that? made them more powerful, efficient, quieter and longer lasting? Yeah what they've done to diesels is a real disgrace.
Sorry gmcsmoke, I dont believe any of the current big 3 will last as long as the early cummins,dmax and 7.3. Now the new ones are quieter and more powerful but not as efficient. I have friends with early dodges, and fords with 500-650k miles. now the trucks have had many parts replaced but the engines are original and still running strong.but 2 out 4 aint to bad.
there are plenty of LMM and LML that are well above 250K
Just had a conversation among some neighbors about one of their friends getting a new truck. He was crabbing about something and when I finally asked him a straight question about what was wrong, he said the dealership wouldn't take the truck in trade.
Don't know the year/make or what was removed but he said the dealership refused the trade because of the missing equipment.
I called the dealership as I figured they just low balled him a price due to the emmisions removal.
Nope, they said they couldn't accept the truck in trade without all the stuff being on the truck. The sales manager also, who talked to him, said the moron actually bragged about all the stuff he'd removed.
Sounds like back in the 70's when idiots would punch out the gas filler to run leaded, and remove the converter and then have trouble trading in the car.
EPA/SMOG/DOT laws have real teeth, but not often used, but is now
more and more
Real teeth as in close down a business, fine the owner lots and lots
of money and even jail time. Federal offense, so really prison, not jail time
That dealer faced having to potentially lose their business and
even jail/prison time. So why would he take a chance on just one
vehicle or how many would it be worth to them to take those vehicles in?
Know of some that have dealerships in states that do not have smog
check laws and they some times will take that and transport it there
Nephew's Toyota 4x4 was one of those and the dealer who he bought
his Dodge CTD 2500HD 4x4 MegaCab was given a choice of taking that
in trade or lose the sale. Lucky that they had many dealerships
and the one in Oregon took it in trade
Boy racers have known this for decades and know to keep all of the
stuff just for the time they need to re-smog or sell it. Especially
here in California
I'm one of those boy racers and have worked with many of our legislators
in the 'no smog test' law, which has been changed too often to have
now screwed me on the Silverado
Used to be a rolling 20 year, then 25 year limit.
Meaning today at 2012, if it was still a rolling limit, any vehicle
built in 1987 would NOT need to be inspected every other year, but
they changed it from a rolling to a fixed year built...1975, IIRC
Have a 1970 2 seater that I'm rebuilding after blowing up the tranny
beating a Porsche 911S a few years ago (beat that guy to 120MPH)
It does NOT have to smog'ed, but since in storage a long time, will have
to have it checked once when re-registering it.
I'll have to build a stock engine, re-register it, then stuff in the
3.1L (stroked 2.8L with a diesel crank, performance cam, E31 head,
and am now designing (going to weld up my own headers, as they don't
have good ones for a 42 year old).
My problem is that during the divorce and move, lost two boxes that
had the stock intake stuff...so up the creek trying to find a donor
vehicle...of the right year...
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
More powerful, yes, the added C.I. and 6 speed trans could be the answer there. Quieter, probably, the new cab design helps there. But better MPG is not going to happen and longer lasting is probably not happening without a full delete. For me to put 250K on a truck I would have to keep it 20 years. How about more complicated, more maint cost and more error codes. It might be wise to just hold on to the 03 for a year or so and just watch the new diesel issues from a distance. The next few years they can only get better.
Believe it or not there is a guy that comes to my local dealer for service. He has a 06 6.0psd. It has almost 900k on it. He is on his second engine and second transmission. He got 350k on the first one and the second one is still running strong it was tunned and deleted when installed. It has had 12-15 injecters and multiple ball joints and universal joints. He changes the oil every 5k. So not problem free but still remarkable for a 6.0psd. He has a partner and they tow a 3 car trailer from coast to coast.