phillyg
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Yep, it depends. The new Heartlands with the tapered nose side have a decal there that shows 88 degree turns possible, I assume with a short bed truck. Is 88 degrees good enough for most of us? I don't know the answer to that.
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dubdub07
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Just bought a new Montana HC and it has the a new shortbed friendly cap and I believe I can get to 90 degrees. I never really need to and the times in 4 years I need to turn it 90 degrees? Zero. (and I have a slider and never, ever use it; but it is nice to have...just in case!)
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webslave
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I have a short bed RAM (6.5') and a 318SAB Cougar on a Companion hitch. They, too, advertised 88 degrees which I could easily do... I replaced the stock pin box with a Tri Glide TrailAir unit and it is a tad longer than the stock pin box. I can now, easily attain 90+ degrees. I, personally, strive never to get in the situation where I would need 90 degrees (very bizarre what a 90 degree pivot does to the tires and axles...I saw another camper do it one time by accident; he had gotten himself into a "fix" and was trying to get out of it) and to date have been successful in avoiding that situation, but, it is comforting to know that I can attain it without the use of a slider. The Companion hitch breaks into two pieces that I can get out of the truck solo; I'd need a hoist or leave the hitch coupled to the king pin to get one of those heavy sliders out by myself.
My 2 cents, your mileage may vary...
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portablevcb
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My Tundra was short box and I did not have a slider. Never needed it, just pay close attention!! I did come very close a couple of times. But, not when backing. It was when trying to get through a gas station going forward!
Dodge has a slider and have never NEEDED it. But, I routinely use it when in tight quarters just because the trailer responds faster to steering inputs with the pin back farther.
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GR8DANE
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It works for me. I can get the 88 degrees they advertise with my Enduramax and my Ford F350 CCSB.
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Louba
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I can't speak for all brands but it certainly works with my Bighorn. I have a short bed Chevy and I have made a turn farther than I think I would ever want to and still had a foot of room to spare.
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Mile High
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portablevcb wrote:My Tundra was short box and I did not have a slider. Never needed it, just pay close attention!! I did come very close a couple of times. But, not when backing. It was when trying to get through a gas station going forward!
Dodge has a slider and have never NEEDED it. But, I routinely use it when in tight quarters just because the trailer responds faster to steering inputs with the pin back farther. And what did you tow with the Tundra? That Nomad? I guarantee I wouldn't need a slider either with the extended pin on that Nomad. Probably wouldn't need one with a 5-1/2' bed on a Ranger either. The lighter the rig - the longer the pin. Look at those old Teton monsters- the pin went straight down.
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big bird 2
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There are variables to consider. For example, you come out of a truck stop with a steep downhill driveway and you need to make a sharp turn to get to the street. At some point you will have the truck even on the street and the FW on the steep slope. If you are close to a 90 degree turn at this point you could take out the rear window. There are other situations, usually backing up, that can get you out of position as well.
I do not think a slider is expensive. Maybe a couple hundred bucks and could be good insurance. A rear window can cost a couple thousand plus body work.
I guess it all comes down to how lucky you feel.
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garysol
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Read what big bird stated above. Testing in a flat parking lot is all fine and dandy but there will come that time when the trailer either has to rise or drop on one side and then its a new set of circumstances.
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