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Posted: 03/30/12 09:29am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigr........as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3


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Looks like they are preparing for "something." That's enough rounds for a small war.

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My guess is their just stocking up. I was in law enforcement when the Iraq war started and all of the ammo manufacturers changed their lines and started making all military ammo and none of our ammo. The military can't use the same ammo law enforcement uses. Anyway, the end result was we nearly ran out of ammo and had a very difficult time getting replacement ammo. We had to put severe limits on our training because of this. All law enforcement agencies that can afford it now stock pile ammo when they get the chance.


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Maybe they will hit a few drug dealers with all that ammo. Seems to be a lot of dope moving between Mexico and Canada.


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Since the contract is for "a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years", it looks like a pretty standard government bulk purchase price arrangement to me.


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Posted: 03/30/12 01:33pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

450 Million rounds over 5 years of "optimum penetration for terminal performance" ammo.

Wonder how much of that hard hitting, penetrating, terminal performance ammo will be shot up for training.

Don't get me wrong......training is absolutely necessary, weapons firing/control is necessary, live fire training all necessary, special extreme measure ammo for LEO's necessary.
But, really does the high dollar ammo have to be used for training. It's so easy to waste ammo when somebody else (US) is paying for it.

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Old-Biscuit wrote:

450 Million rounds over 5 years of "optimum penetration for terminal performance" ammo.

Wonder how much of that hard hitting, penetrating, terminal performance ammo will be shot up for training.

Don't get me wrong......training is absolutely necessary, weapons firing/control is necessary, live fire training all necessary, special extreme measure ammo for LEO's necessary.
But, really does the high dollar ammo have to be used for training. It's so easy to waste ammo when somebody else (US) is paying for it.


When I first started as a cop we used to shoot wad cutters for training. The problem was they didn't have the recoil of the regular ammo. So eventually it was decided to use the exact same ammo in training that we carried on the street. When we went to the range the first ammo you shot was what was already in the gun and on your belt. After range training you would load up with fresh ammo.

I don't see a price for this ammo, but I'd be willing to bet with as much as they have ordered, there is not a big price difference between this and cheaper ball ammo anyway. We used to buy .40 caliber ammo through the Federal Contract and the price was something around $5 for a box of 50. The exact same ammo at the local gun shop was close to $25 a box.

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If you check the companies website in the link, the term "optimum penetration for terminal performance" comes off the website. Does that mean it's the Cadiallac of ammo and is gold plated or something? I don't think so. It's just typical advertising. Other than the reasons I already listed, there is also an advantage to only having one type of ammunition for training and for duty. It's just all around easier to manage in the volume we're talking and in the event something really bad does happen and they need lots of real duty ammo, then they do have it.

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Posted: 03/30/12 05:04pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

^^^^^^The last cheap target .40's I bought were 35cents each. I wonder what we are paying per round for the good stuff

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msmith1199 wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

450 Million rounds over 5 years of "optimum penetration for terminal performance" ammo.

Wonder how much of that hard hitting, penetrating, terminal performance ammo will be shot up for training.

Don't get me wrong......training is absolutely necessary, weapons firing/control is necessary, live fire training all necessary, special extreme measure ammo for LEO's necessary.
But, really does the high dollar ammo have to be used for training. It's so easy to waste ammo when somebody else (US) is paying for it.


When I first started as a cop we used to shoot wad cutters for training. The problem was they didn't have the recoil of the regular ammo. So eventually it was decided to use the exact same ammo in training that we carried on the street. When we went to the range the first ammo you shot was what was already in the gun and on your belt. After range training you would load up with fresh ammo.

I don't see a price for this ammo, but I'd be willing to bet with as much as they have ordered, there is not a big price difference between this and cheaper ball ammo anyway. We used to buy .40 caliber ammo through the Federal Contract and the price was something around $5 for a box of 50. The exact same ammo at the local gun shop was close to $25 a box.


Oh I understand and support the need for training. And when buying in large quantities as Federal Contracts price per box will be cheaper than retail......
I just hate to think about all the rounds of "optimum penetration for terminal performance" ammo being shot up at targets etc.
Especially when somebody else is buying it.

I shot Cowboy Action Shooting for years........reloaded my own due to retail. But because I was paying for it I was real conscious of the cost. And when ammo was supplied I saw how fast that ammo was shot up too.

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