Gdetrailer wrote:

LarryJM writes "That might be your opinion, but remember it's only YOUR OPINION and not FACT. The outlet you showed is UL Listed for 15A so I guess you now are the authority on how an outlet is rated .... NOT."

Stab outlets although may be rated at 15 amp just can not compare in QUALITY of the wire to outlet connection.

Again, while if tend to agree in general the outlet are UL rated/listed as safe to use so I will let the real experts make the final decision on what is safe or not

Remember RESISTANCE is your enemy, it creates HEAT, that HEAT will over time DAMAGE that very tiny connection between the stab and wire (the square inches of connection is much less than what you get with a 1/8 stereo headphone jack).

Stab connection works by pushing aside the insulation on TWO sides of the wire and holding that connection in between the forks in the outlet, no other mechanical means to ensure the connection is tight.

That statement about it pushing aside the insulation on TWO sides of the wire tells me right there you don't understand how to make a proper stab connection and if you are doing it that way 'YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG". The back of the outlet has a "STRIP GAUGE" showing you how much insulation to remove before inserting the wire into the outlet. By not removing the proper amount of insulation I can see where you would get a poor connection and I think that is the issue you are seeing..

Over time with repeated heavy current draws the connection will ultimately fail, it may be months, years or more but over time you will slowly get more resistance.

Again, that is just your opinion and you didn't disagree with me about most homes using the stab type connections. I have outlet almost 30 years old that use the stab connections some attached to high power devices like convection/toater ovens, coffee pots and microwaves with out a single issue. Also others have reported in just this thread they have had no issues either.

Trust me, you WILL NEVER find stab outlets in a Hospital... I don't know about you but I would not trust them to run any critical life support equipment.

Well if this was a hospital forum then this might be an important distinction, but a heater sure isn't a critical life support equipment and this is not a HOSPITAL FORUM so you comment is simply not germane to this discussion and is basically a "red herring"

I would rather replace those cheaply made outlets with real screw terminals and be done with it.

Again that is just your personal opinion which you like I do have an absolute right to.

The RV industry (and some cheapo builders) use stab outlets as a means to wire faster, they don't use them for quality or longevity.


Again that is just your personal opinion which you like I do have an absolute right to. I bet you would be hard pressed to find a home that doesn't use the stab connections for outlets. The two home I have owned one in Ca built by TREND HOMES and the current one here in Va. built by RYLAND both used the stab connections on ALL OUTLETS.

I have as of yet had any real screw terminal outlet fail but I did HAVE to replace several of those vampire outlets in my first TT.

Well you have to appreciate that you say you had to replace several of those "vampire outlets", but there is no way to actually verify that and people will often make outlandish statements since there is no way to verify the validity of them. Thus unless one provides some independent source to support their opinion I generally ignore such statements as questionable at best. I'm not saying this is what you did, but I have no way of telling.

Pogoil wrote:

Larry,

Your stab outlet at home is not the same as the ones used in an RV. They do fail. You sir just have not seen the damage yourself.

Most of the people posting that they are junk have firsthand experience like myself.

Pogoil.

Dusty R wrote:

I'm a retired electrician. The receptacles that are being referred to as junk is the only type allowed to be used without a box. And the only place a box less receptacle is allowed is in RV's and mobile homes. You can use a box and standard receptacle in a RV but you need to know what size box for the number of wires and the wire size being used. With that said, good luck getting the right size box in your RV wall.

Dusty

LarryJM wrote:



I have owned TT's for close to 40 years so I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE with RV electrical systems. Your statement that the one's used in RVs are somehow different and I really doubt that is the case. An outlet is an outlet and none are specifically designed for RVs. I think that single statement says loads on how much you actually know and shows me you are guessing and making generic statements to somehow support you opinion which I have said in this thread is just that YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.

Larry