Hammerhead wrote: Models sold overseas like the Land Rover in the U.K. come with a 4.5 liter diesel engine.
SoCalDesertRider wrote: For Toyota to capture any meaningful percent of the 3/4-ton, one-ton and above market, they would have to bring a very reputable, well known and trusted diesel engine name and model with them. Dodge already has that apple secured with the Cummins, so that's out. International/Navistar has already had their name ruined with Ford. Caterpillar is completely out of the on-highway engine business. John Deer and Perkins are not in the on-highway engine business either. Neither are Kubota or Deutz. That leaves Mercedes/Detroit Diesel as the only choice for Toyota to grab onto and claim success with.
If they can get that engine to meet US/California emissions, reliably and economically, and still get descent fuel mileage, they'll have something to put in their Tundra.
Not sure it would really convince anyone to buy a diesel Tundra over a Cummins Ram or Durmax GM though. That was part of my point, they need a truly stellar, very well known and trusted brand and model of diesel engine to take any serious share of the 3/4-ton and up diesel truck market.
If there was something equal to the Cummins in history, reliability, name recognition, etc, and Toyota grabbed it, they could have a winner. Anything less, is just another unknown. Of course, if there was anything as good as the Cummins available, I'm sure Ford would have grabbed it by now, instead of making their own, however successfully or unsuccessfully....
Gman22 wrote: I'd have a better chance finding a unicorn wandering the local forest than a Titan on the roads.
In my 10 mile round trip commute every day out in the sticks, I see at least one Titan. On a recent 1500 mile roadtrip, I was surprised how many I saw, especially in the Big 3 bastion of MI and OH.
Starting in about 2008, Nissan gave up on Titan advertising. When I got mine in 2007, it had the most features and best powertrain for the price. Yes, it's quite a bit long in the tooth now. The killing of the Ram-based Titan follow-on is the reason for that.
As far as the replacement goes, all I've heard is more engine, cab, and bed combinations will be available. Possible V-6 or small V-8 and regular cab will be available. Now, the 5.6L V-8 will likely get the updates that the Infinity version now has - 400 HP, 400 ft-lbs torque, 7 speed tranny, and a 2-3 MPG boost over the current Titan. Probably won't see anything until the 2014 model year, hopefully that means mid 2013.
2008 Nissan Titan SE, Crew Cab, 4x4
Long Bed, Big Tow, Roadmaster Active Suspension
I agree Nissan has done a TERRIBLE marketing job.... keep in mind the Titan first came out in 2004....as in almost 10 years ago and has hardly been changed. In that time Toyota introduced the Tundra and the big 3 have all made MAJOR improvements.... all while Nissan has sat still. In 04 it was pretty big news and was (still is IMO) a nice truck. It's just stale and I'm afraid Nissan has waited too long. I don't they can get back the minimal market share they once had.
Hammerhead wrote: Models sold overseas like the Land Rover in the U.K. come with a 4.5 liter diesel engine.
SoCalDesertRider wrote: For Toyota to capture any meaningful percent of the 3/4-ton, one-ton and above market, they would have to bring a very reputable, well known and trusted diesel engine name and model with them. Dodge already has that apple secured with the Cummins, so that's out. International/Navistar has already had their name ruined with Ford. Caterpillar is completely out of the on-highway engine business. John Deer and Perkins are not in the on-highway engine business either. Neither are Kubota or Deutz. That leaves Mercedes/Detroit Diesel as the only choice for Toyota to grab onto and claim success with.
If they can get that engine to meet US/California emissions, reliably and economically, and still get descent fuel mileage, they'll have something to put in their Tundra.
Not sure it would really convince anyone to buy a diesel Tundra over a Cummins Ram or Durmax GM though. That was part of my point, they need a truly stellar, very well known and trusted brand and model of diesel engine to take any serious share of the 3/4-ton and up diesel truck market.
If there was something equal to the Cummins in history, reliability, name recognition, etc, and Toyota grabbed it, they could have a winner. Anything less, is just another unknown. Of course, if there was anything as good as the Cummins available, I'm sure Ford would have grabbed it by now, instead of making their own, however successfully or unsuccessfully....
Wish they'd build this:
DRW Tundra, 3500 & 4500 versions
2 diesel engine choices: small 4.8L I6 Mack diesel or
larger, higher output 6.5L I6 Mack diesel
2 trans choices: 8sp Auto Trans or
8sp Automated Manual option
Ooh, baby...
BManning baking in Phoenix
2008 Ford Super Duty F250 XLT, 4x4, crew cab, 6.75' bed
5.4L V8 300hp/365ft-lb, 5sp Torqshift, 4.30 AAM gears
9400lb GVW 11200lb tow
2007 Volvo XC90 AWD V8
4.4L 311hp/325ft-lb, 6sp Aisin, loaded
6100lb GVW 5000lb tow
Starting in about 2008, Nissan gave up on Titan advertising. When I got mine in 2007, it had the most features and best powertrain for the price. Yes, it's quite a bit long in the tooth now.
I agree
I compared everything ...for the money nothing better and....when I looked....
GMC's were assembled in Mexico with 65% of parts made in US....Titan assembled in Mississippi....65% of parts made in US. Which is American made? Always have been buy American person....Was a long time Ford guy (14 consecutive Fords) Had my 2005 F150 in for problems 12 times and traded it for the Nissan....60000 miles...no issues.//Knock on Wood.
padave wrote: Starting in about 2008, Nissan gave up on Titan advertising. When I got mine in 2007, it had the most features and best powertrain for the price. Yes, it's quite a bit long in the tooth now.
I agree
I compared everything ...for the money nothing better and....when I looked....
GMC's were assembled in Mexico with 65% of parts made in US....Titan assembled in Mississippi....65% of parts made in US. Which is American made? Always have been buy American person....Was a long time Ford guy (14 consecutive Fords) Had my 2005 F150 in for problems 12 times and traded it for the Nissan....60000 miles...no issues.//Knock on Wood.
You're quite correct. In fact when the economy tanked in 07-08, you could pick up a Titan in the low 20K range. Probably the best towing bang for the buck at the time. Lotta power and good towing performance. The truck never sold in big numbers but has a very loyal following on the Titan forums. A buddy has an 07 that he tows his ski boat with and loves it. Another friend has a first year Titan with over 200,000 miles on it (company truck) and said recently he would buy another one in a heartbeat.
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. On a recent 1500 mile roadtrip, I was surprised how many I saw, especially in the Big 3 bastion of MI and OH.
