First let me start by saying if this type of post is not allowed I apologize. I know some forums do not allow posting with numbers about deals/offers.
I am thinking of moving up to a Class A Allegro Breeze. I was trading a few emails with a dealer and going back and forth on a deal. The numbers below reflect the deal. I currently own a 2006 26.5' Lazy Daze Class C with 22k miles on it.
$159,999 MSRP -dealer would not come off same since I was trading in.
- 50,000 Trade In (I thought the trade was more than fair)
$109,999 difference
$4,779.97 taxes
$ 319.00 tags
$115,097.97
$40,000.00 your pay off on old RV
$155,117.97 OTD
I do not think this is a great deal but I could be way off. We bought our LD used and bought it for low retail. This would be our first brand new purchase. Seems many dealers will not give you a great price if you are trading in. That makes sense as they have to then turn around and sell your rig.
Thanks for any input.
Looks pretty good, from your numbers they are paying off your loan on the Lazydays plus giving you a 10k credit towards the breeze. They are actually knocking close to 30% off msrp. If you owned the Lazyday free and clear you would be at 109 plus fees-not to bad. You could try to sell the trade on your own and still push for the 30% off.
Todd
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I can't comment on the new RV or your deal, but I'll bet this orange on my desk here, that if you keep looking, they will call you back with a better deal within a week or two.
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..Tradein or not, and regardless what new unit you're buying, you should be able to do better than full MSRP!
I'd keep looking, JMO. Next time you start 'negotiations' with a dealer, tell them you are not sure if you are going to give them your tradein, or sell it yourself. Start the negotiating on the premise that you are selling yourself, and no tradein is in the picture. That will force them to knock off that MSRP crap, and discount it some (20-30% off MSRP is 'bout what most have said they can get).
Once you've negotiated a fair price that way for the MH you're buying, THEN, (if you still want them to take your Class C on tradein), tell them you've decided not to sell yourself, and want to know what they'll give you in tradein. I bet the numbers you get then will look MUCH better.
I think what they're doing with the offer they gave you, is a typical 'retail for retail' deal. They give you full retail value for your tradein (to make you think you're getting a great deal), but also demand full retail value for the new MH you're buying. More often than not, you can do much better than that. JMHO, and some may disagree, but you should never have to pay full MSRP for a MH, especially in this day and time. Regardless of trade or not.
That is, unless this is a MH you're having the dealer order specifically for you? If they're having one specifically ordered for you, its a whole different ballgame, and you lose a lot of negotiating power that you normally have when buying one off their lot.
Oh, and I don't think there is any rule here against posting specifics of an offer you are working with. Most of us prefer not to divulge such matters in a public forum, but there's no rule against doing so.
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belairbrian wrote: Is this just a numbers game? Are they over valuing the trade but not lowering the price?
Hard to tell what is a fair price without knowing details on the MH. What options?
The good thing is you can just keep shopping.
I did verify that the Breeze is being offered at MSRP. When I looked up my rig via NADA with only the mileage and no options the average retail is $49,570 and the low retail is $41,139. They are certainly offered way more than trade in/wholesale on my rig. You are right....we can take all the time we want and I am sure better deals may follow.
willald wrote: ..Tradein or not, and regardless what new unit you're buying, you should be able to do better than full MSRP!
I'd keep looking, JMO. Next time you start 'negotiations' with a dealer, tell them you are not sure if you are going to give them your tradein, or sell it yourself. Start the negotiating on the premise that you are selling yourself, and no tradein is in the picture. That will force them to knock off that MSRP crap, and discount it some (20-30% off MSRP is 'bout what most have said they can get).
Once you've negotiated a fair price that way for the MH you're buying, THEN, (if you still want them to take your Class C on tradein), tell them you've decided not to sell yourself, and want to know what they'll give you in tradein. I bet the numbers you get then will look MUCH better.
I think what they're doing with the offer they gave you, is a typical 'retail for retail' deal. They give you full retail value for your tradein (to make you think you're getting a great deal), but also demand full retail value for the new MH you're buying. More often than not, you can do much better than that. JMHO, and some may disagree, but you should never have to pay full MSRP for a MH, especially in this day and time. Regardless of trade or not.
That is, unless this is a MH you're having the dealer order specifically for you? If they're having one specifically ordered for you, its a whole different ballgame, and you lose a lot of negotiating power that you normally have when buying one off their lot.
Oh, and I don't think there is any rule here against posting specifics of an offer you are working with. Most of us prefer not to divulge such matters in a public forum, but there's no rule against doing so.
They are actually taking 50k off msrp and that is pretty close to 30%. The op still owes 40k on his lazydays and they are offering to pay that off (gets added to the 109k) and giving him another 10k. If he had no trade at all or if he sells his trade on his own then his price is around 109k (not full msrp). What he will probably end up with (from this dealer) with no trade is 20% to 30% off msrp (probably closer to 25%). If they were asking full msrp then his price would be the 159k and he would still have to pay for the lazy days and his total cost would be 199k.
Todd
I don't follow the logic of he's still going to wind up with a 10K credit and that looks like a pretty good deal... Those are only numbers on paper.
Do this:
Call them back and tell them a relative or whoever is buying your current unit from you and now you no longer have a trade in.
Tell them you are getting 3 quotes on the rig you want and will take everything into consideration including location and service.
Example...if they come back with a cash deal of $125000 plus taxes, etc...you can see that really they are only putting about 15K in your trade (109999 difference).
You can make a better informed decision with all the info.
Could you do better than 15K selling yours yourself? Probably
Or..you can always re introduce your trade into the deal because your sale fell apart....and re negotiate....at least you'll know what the real numbers are...not inflated retails that mean nothing.
This discussion really brings home the meaning of "Cash is King". Intrest rate is how much?? I get the idea too many people never consider the luxery of not paying for something twice, which is what one does over 15 or 20 years of payments.
My rule of thumb, ALWAYS go to 3 dealers, close, far, no matter with MH's, and cut a deal at each. Then pit one against another. Heck get a quote from 10. You'll have a good idea of what the market will bear on both units and use that to negotiate. Someone will win your business. At the end of the day it's about what YOU want to pay for the new unit. The rest is a shell game. And when you get into the $130 ish range, it's really not worth quibbling over a grand or two. If that happens make them throw something in like an in motion, another TV, whatever.
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