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BenK wrote:

vesh1717 wrote:

Now I am simply starting this topic because I am curious. At this point I plan on towing a TT that weights about 4k absolutely loaded. So I know I can tow that safely and easily. But I was just sitting here trying to figure out the max I might be able to tow, because eventually I am going to upgrade my TT.

TV - 2012 Ram 1500 Big Horn CC 3.92 gears.
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Base weight - 5345 (just weighed truck last week and it weighed 5700ish)
GVWR - 6800
Payload 1455
GAWR - Front/Rear - both 3900
Max Trailer - 10000
GCWR - 15500

I am not a complete N00b, so I know the basics. Where I am getting stuck is trying to figure out IF I could actually tow close to say 9k, or would I be over the tongue weight or axle ratings.

For fun, let's have 2 separate answers.
1. How much COULD I tow?
2. What would ppl recommend in order to tow safely?

I realize these are subjective answers, but I am looking for facts, and also opinions.

I'm thinking I will likely go with something that has a Gross rating of like 7k, and no longer than 25 feet... but like I said, I just want to hear some thoughts.



Depends on your philosophies on risk management decisions (AKA gambling) vs ratings
AKA specifications or limits

There is a thread with the title 'arrogant' that is on the side of not believing
in the OEM's published ratings/specifications/etc.

If just looking for the 'sure you can', then you will get tons of them
and don't need to read further. Just note that there is only one
person responsible for the setup and that is the driver.

The details below are mainly for others who would be asking a similar
question and since you say you don't really need to ask and know enough...
This is for them and to help you make the decision(s)

Keep in mind that there is a difference between 'can' and 'should'


If you do believe in the OEM's ratings/specifications, then this diagram may help
you make the risk management decision on where you wish to be on the ratings

You will need to go out and weigh the setup axle by axle both empty and loaded
If you do not have one or the other or either, then use their max ratings as
the basis to do the simple math

Just think of the generic formula GCWR >= TV + TT + cargo/people/etc/etc
as a teeter-totter where the >= is the fulcrum


Using your info that formula looks like this

15,000 GCWR >= 5,700 TV + 10,000 TT

So you would be over the OEM's GCWR rating by about 700 lbs. The wheels
won't instantly fall off but any time approaching the limits will
have higher stresses that will wear out things sooner

Also, as the limits/ratings/etc are approached, the over all performance
is reduced. Take braking an empty TV vs braking a TV at it's GVWR
Of course the TV at GVWR will take more distance to brake and will
have more stresses than the exact same TV in the exact same ambient
conditions, but empty.



Bingo...on every aspect of your post....and neither of us are" arrogant"..


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Ditto !! On the payload problem.

You will probably exceed the payload before you even get close to towing capacity.

I used to tow with Nissan Titan. Payload was 1650, but, my hitch and tongue weight ate up 1000 pounds. A bed cap and full tank of gas took another 350 - 400 lbs. That only left 250 lbs for passengers (I weigh 200, didn't leave much room for DW, or her mother) and cargo. Gross weight of the trailer was 1500 lbs under max (9500) tow capacity. The trailer never got fully loaded, but, I was still close, if not over, on payload.

Did I still tow that way, yes. Would I do it again, probably.

I also have a 2000 lb TC. Thus the 3/4 ton in sig.


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I think your plan of 7K and 25' are good conservative numbers that would be comfortable to tow although possibly close on payload. Equipmment needs for comfortable towing would be a quality brake controller and a nice integrated WD/sway control system like the Reese HP Dual Cam. 9k would put you over in a number of areas including payload, GVWR, tongue weight, and possibly RAWR.


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Half ton tow ratings rarely mean RV tow ratings. RVs have about the worse aerodynamics and heavy % of tongue weight. Plan on shopping under 6000 pounds dry with under 700 pounds dry tongue weight. That will get you in the 7000/900 pound range when loaded for a trip.


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vesh1717 wrote:

eye8Ubutler wrote:

Dear vesh1717,

When I checked 'newest threads' and saw your posting's title, I hoped before I clicked on it that you might not be in the Thunder Bay, USA but Thunder Bay, Canada?....because clearly your thread's title reveals that you have a 'sense of humour' and you must be of British descent (I am a former Brit')!!! LOL.


lol.. I AM indeed from Thunder Bay ON, Canada. I am of Irish and Italian decent, but not british!


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APT wrote:

Half ton tow ratings rarely mean RV tow ratings. RVs have about the worse aerodynamics and heavy % of tongue weight. Plan on shopping under 6000 pounds dry with under 700 pounds dry tongue weight. That will get you in the 7000/900 pound range when loaded for a trip.


Well, I guess I was correct in my guess. I didn't have the exact numbers, but I figured 7k GVWR would be a safe bet. Maybe I will upgrade this year, who knows.

I must admit I was hoping for a little bit of controversy when I started this thread... but none has materialized. lol Where are the people saying I can tow 9k comfortably?

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vesh1717 wrote:

Where are the people saying I can tow 9k comfortably?
On the hash pipe .


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Taco6spd wrote:

You'll be limited by your payload, and not the tow rating (or even 80% of that), like is the case with most half ton trucks.
Until you get the real numbers, nobody can really guess. You'd need to take the truck to the scales with all people and gear inside. Bikes and misc can add up VERY quickly, and firewood is VERY heavy.

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Yep and that is why I'm just not a big fan of 1/2 T's attempting to tow a trailer for say 2 adults and 2 children except for the F150HD Max GVWR. Why go around with and empty bed which is just wasted space and basically useless. For me a 3/4T is the min and for the small extra cost why not just go to a 1T and be done with it.

1/2Ts are great for local hauling like plywood, landscaping material and even tow things like boats, jet ski's and some cargo trailers.

Maybe things have changed, but back in 2002 I went to a Ford Ralley up in NY and they had 3 2003 6.0L trucks there to show off and one was towing. What they had was like a 6x6x6 concrete block on a flatbed where the two weighed the 10K or whatever wt. they were testing. No way did that represent the aerodynamic profile of a full sized TT or even 5er.

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I'll bet your TONGUE WEIGHT spec is 1000# (not receiver spec, truck spec). Most agree the lightest you want the TT tongue is 13%. If we use those numbers, your max fully loaded TT weight is 7,700#.


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LarryJM wrote:

Taco6spd wrote:

You'll be limited by your payload, and not the tow rating (or even 80% of that), like is the case with most half ton trucks.
Until you get the real numbers, nobody can really guess. You'd need to take the truck to the scales with all people and gear inside. Bikes and misc can add up VERY quickly, and firewood is VERY heavy.

'
Yep and that is why I'm just not a big fan of 1/2 T's attempting to tow a trailer for say 2 adults and 2 children except for the F150HD Max GVWR. Why go around with and empty bed which is just wasted space and basically useless. For me a 3/4T is the min and for the small extra cost why not just go to a 1T and be done with it.

1/2Ts are great for local hauling like plywood, landscaping material and even tow things like boats, jet ski's and some cargo trailers.

Maybe things have changed, but back in 2002 I went to a Ford Ralley up in NY and they had 3 2003 6.0L trucks there to show off and one was towing. What they had was like a 6x6x6 concrete block on a flatbed where the two weighed the 10K or whatever wt. they were testing. No way did that represent the aerodynamic profile of a full sized TT or even 5er.

Larry


Larry – I find most of your posts to be relevant and spot on, but I have to disagree with this one. I have a ½ ton and it handles my trailer just fine with my family on board and the trailer meets all of my families needs. It’s a great combo and I have pulled it through mountains, wind and all sort of other conditions and never had an issue. I do agree that ½ tons and fifth wheels don’t belong together, the pin weight kills them.

I think people need to be realistic regardless of what tow vehicle they have and understand the limitations; however, saying ½ tons are not meant for towing is far to general a statement to make and adequately defend. JMHO.


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