especially for boat owners like myself and your lawn equipment etc. This stuff will kill your machines. E-15, EPA is at it again. and a link to tests conducted on marine motor's.
I'm not so sure it will kill your machines. They said the same thing when E-10 came out. All the gas sold in MN has been E-10 for years and the sky has yet to fall. I run it in my 1973 boat, lawn mower, 1976 Pontiac lemans, 1981 t bird, 1984 Lincoln mark VII, and my 2004 pickup without any problems.
Blue may be better for the "alcohol problem" but red is better for long term storage (as per s Stabil representative).
I'm going to try SEAFOAM this year--the one with the round end (white and green I think) seems to do it all if you can believe it.
The article is scary and interesting to say the least.
CavemanCharlie wrote: I'm not so sure it will kill your machines. They said the same thing when E-10 came out. All the gas sold in MN has been E-10 for years and the sky has yet to fall. I run it in my 1973 boat, lawn mower, 1976 Pontiac lemans, 1981 t bird, 1984 Lincoln mark VII, and my 2004 pickup without any problems.
Mechanics up here live off the damage done to outboard motors, ATVs and snowmobiles damaged by E10 without stabilizer.
Family health problems caused me to quickly go out of state for several months and upon my return, unstabilized gas in my ATV was leaking all over the garage floor--the damn alcohol destroyed the entire fuel line and gaskets. The tank had to be drained and cleaned and the entire fuel system replaced. After that $400 lesson, I'll use a stabilizer all summer and winter.
If you get a little "Winter gook" in the system and the engine runs rough, K100 seems to clean "the innards" well and return the engine to a smooth idle.
Great input, the stuff is a lifesaver or boatsaver I guess... and I always use it, the E10 limit's were bad enough now raising the limit's to 15%, the Stabil Ethanol is just that much more important. Like I said, just a little friendly info to watch those pump's.
(I just read the report.. And it shed some serious light (The link to Mercury a manufacturer of boat motors)
In Mercury's tests all of the motors save one were run for 300 hours then torn down and subjected to vigorous inspection and analysis The one that did not make it 300 hours was running E-15 and threw a rod bearing, It is not yet (At the time of writing) if the E-15 was at fault or if it was something else.
However valve damage was noted in all the E-15 engines, Piston damage, and higher exhaust temps due to running leaner..
I suspect that could be adjusted out (The lean run) by re-adjustment of the air/fuel mix but .. Then you'd be running rich on E-0.
All E-15 engines developed rough running, sputtering, mis fires and such.
The conclusion.. E-15 (And for that matter E-10) not good for that type of engine.
Now... before anyone gets too upset.. These are marine engines. I do not know how much "Feedback" is present on them.
Automobile engines (Car and RV) these days have a handy dandy little device called an Engine Control Computer or an Emmissions Control Computer (Same box, different names) this box measures such things as the oxygen content of the exhaust and adjusts the engine's fuel to air ratio to make things proper.
In this kind of an engine, One would HOPE the computer would enrich the mixture to offset the effect of the Ethanol in the gas. Of course. this might well effect the emmissions as well so I don't know how well they compensate.
But I can hope for the best.
In 2 years.. I hope to fill my Workhorse with E-0 I know where I can buy it. (2 places) nearby... I will log millage on E-10 and on E-0,
I remain firmly opposed to E-Fuels.
Nothin adds excitment like something that is none of your business
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CavemanCharlie wrote: I'm not so sure it will kill your machines. They said the same thing when E-10 came out. All the gas sold in MN has been E-10 for years and the sky has yet to fall. I run it in my 1973 boat, lawn mower, 1976 Pontiac lemans, 1981 t bird, 1984 Lincoln mark VII, and my 2004 pickup without any problems.
Mechanics up here live off the damage done to outboard motors, ATVs and snowmobiles damaged by E10 without stabilizer.
Family health problems caused me to quickly go out of state for several months and upon my return, unstabilized gas in my ATV was leaking all over the garage floor--the damn alcohol destroyed the entire fuel line and gaskets. The tank had to be drained and cleaned and the entire fuel system replaced. After that $400 lesson, I'll use a stabilizer all summer and winter.
If you get a little "Winter gook" in the system and the engine runs rough, K100 seems to clean "the innards" well and return the engine to a smooth idle.
I don't know about your experiences but, as I said we have had no problems. My brother also runs it in his 1979 F-150 with no problems and that truck sets in the shed all winter long. But, he does add stabilizer to it if it is going to set for more then a couple of months. It's possible your mechanics are using it as a excuse to fix a lot of other things that went wrong for other reasons and then blame the gas because it's easy for them to do. Or. maybe the fuel tanks and lines in your area are different and dirtier. Ethanol is a cleaner and will wash all the gunk out of tanks so if you buy gas at a station that has dirty tanks it will get pumped into your vehicle and cause problems. You'd think by now the tanks would have been flushed clean out though.
It's a consensus of many mechanics I've spoken with, not just one. I think the alcohol pulls the moisture from the air and it settles in the tank--re-filling the tank won't remove the light, brown jelly-like substance that gums up the works.
The problem is very evident in high tourism areas, especially when the snowbirds decide to head north and fire up the boat or ATV that's been sitting for 6+ months.
In NY we have no choice about buying E-10. If you want pure gas you must go to an airport or marina and pay out the nose for it. I heard about the E-15 a few years ago so this is not new news. As of yet I have not seen any for sale.
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and I always use it, the E10 limit's were bad enough now raising the limit's to 15%, the Stabil Ethanol is just that much more important. Like I said, just a little friendly info to watch those pump's.
