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3LittleDucks

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Posted: 04/06/12 10:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I am trying to figure out if we can upgrade from out tent trailer (dry weight 2260)to a travel trailer (UVW 2898).

From here (http://changingears.com/rv-sec-tow-vehicles-understand.shtml) I can see that UVW 'is the weight of a vehicle as manufactured at the factory. It includes full engine and generator fuel tanks and fluids, if applicable. It does not include cargo, water, propane, or dealer-installed accessories.'. I assume that it includes cabinetry, mattresses, fridge/stove etc? Or would those be extras?

I'm not sure how the above differs from Dry Weight.

Any help would be very much appreciated!


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my opinion is that the RV industry is needlessly confusing the consumer with all of the different weight acronyms. i like to keep things simple. the short answer to your question is yes, the UVW includes whatever came with the vehicle from the factory. so cabinets, mattresses, etc. would be included. but...the UVW may not include anything the dealer added.

best advice...ignore the factory weight sticker. the only weigh (pun intended) to be certain is to have the TT weighed *before* you buy it. check the yellow pages for 'Public Scales'...moving companies, cartage companies, etc. once weighed you'll have the empty weight (or UVW, dry weight, whatever you wanna call it). compare that to the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) to calculate how much food, water, clothing, people and stuff you can add.

your tow vehicle needs to be able to tow at least the GVWR, not the empty weight, of the TT.

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"your tow vehicle needs to be able to tow at least the GVWR, not the empty weight, of the TT."

That is fairly true, although some of us with toyhaulers might add only 1000# or so to the UVW.

Note you want 13 to 15% of the FULLY LOADED TT weight on the tongue for safe towing. Most vehicles are limited by the VEHICLE tongue weight spec, which is normally 10% of the tow weight spec. In some cases even less than 10%.


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Thanks for the replies, we will try to get it weighed asap.

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Chuck&Gail wrote:

"your tow vehicle needs to be able to tow at least the GVWR, not the empty weight, of the TT."

That is fairly true, although some of us with toyhaulers might add only 1000# or so to the UVW.


no doubt but if it were me i'd rather have the extra towing ability and not need it than need it and not have it.

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Yes, absolutely, and our Sienna has a towing capacity of 3500, so might be cutting it too close (GCWR 7800), 5 people.

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3LittleDucks wrote:

Yes, absolutely, and our Sienna has a towing capacity of 3500, so might be cutting it too close (GCWR 7800), 5 people.


wow. 4300-lbs isn't much for that vehicle, stuff, gas and 5-people. good luck to you.

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though the RV manufacturers often use both terms for the same thing, generally, "dry" weight usually means a stripped-down version of the trailer.
generally, UVW means the weight of the trailer when it left the factory. it usually is the "dry" weight plus the weight of what they call "option", that most trailer all come with. things like: oven, a/c, awning, microwave, spare tire and so on.

neither usually include the weight of the battery, propane, water, cargo or any items that the dealer installed after receiving it from the factory.


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Posted: 04/07/12 02:47am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Chuck&Gail wrote:

"your tow vehicle needs to be able to tow at least the GVWR, not the empty weight, of the TT."

That is fairly true, although some of us with toyhaulers might add only 1000# or so to the UVW.

Note you want 13 to 15% of the FULLY LOADED TT weight on the tongue for safe towing. Most vehicles are limited by the VEHICLE tongue weight spec, which is normally 10% of the tow weight spec. In some cases even less than 10%.


Well you added almost 1500 not 1000lbs and you are now within 750 lbs of your 7550 TH GVWR.


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Posted: 04/07/12 09:18am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Unloaded vehicle weight and dry weight are the same thing. Some feel it is just with the ice cube trays and holding tanks empty but it is the identical thing called by a different name. NO manufacturer can ever give you a weight with ANY of your personal stuff loaded in the trailer because they would have no way of knowing what or how much you put in.
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