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Pulled our 2007 tioga into the driveway last night for kids to sleep in. I plugged it in to 110. This morning i went out to wake them up. Decided i would put battery charger on coach battery as it was weak the night before. I opened the hood to find the battery had steam coming out of the vent holes on both caps and was too hot to touch. I unplugged the 110 and disconnected the terminals. It was quiet a while before it cooled off and quit steaming. I have no idea why this happened and need advice.

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How long has this battery been installed as it sorta sounds like the battery is hooked up backwards with the postive wire on the negative post and the negative wire on the positive post. Could that be a possibilty?


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Sounds like that battery is toast. I'm not sure how much you use this thing, but likely the battery is failing and will no longer accept a charge. When you plugged in to 110, the converter (assuming you have one) will charge the coach battery. I would obtain a good battery, install it, and plug into 110 again with a DVOM connected to the coach battery. Make sure the voltage is running between 13-14 volts. I made the mistake of frying my coach battery by leaving the RV plugged in to 110 for about a week. Boiled the battery dry and fried it. So DONT leave it plugged in for long periods of time. If you have issues with the battery going dead when not in use, either get a battery maintainer or have a technician determine what is drawing down the battery.


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Posted: 04/09/12 04:41pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Battery is probably toast.

Most likely.... internal short.

Charger should have shut off.

Are there several batteries in parallel hooked on that charging circuit?

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Sounds like an internal short in the battery that you caught just before it was ready to blow up. glad you caught it when you did.


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Time to get a new battery...most places can test it for you to confirm.


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Just a guess, The battery has shorted out on the internal plates.


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Thanks for the assistance. The battery was about 2 years old and it was an everstart maxx from walmart. It was running down every few weeks all winter and i would charge it back full. I knew it was down last night when I plugged in to 110. I planned to charge it this morning. I have never seen a battery melt down like that. What started the process. I am almost afraid to buy a new one for fear of the same thing happening and something needs to be fixed. I don't know where to start though.

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You should not allow a battery to discharge below 50% capacity. This shortens the battery life. It is much worse to allow the battery to discharge and leave it like that for a couple of weeks. A battery needs care to last.
A fully charged battery is about 12.7 volts. A battery at 50% capacity is about 12.1 volts.


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garym114 wrote:


A fully charged battery is about 12.7 volts. A battery at 50% capacity is about 12.1 volts.


AGMs, Flooded Cell, and Gel Cels have different voltage / charge relationships.


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Deep cycle battery voltage & state of charge



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While not totally accurate, the easiest way to determine this is with a multimeter if your solar regulator or charge controller doesn't have a voltage readout. State of charge does vary a little between a sealed lead acid, flooded, gel and AGM deep cycle battery types and also between brands. Even the weather can play a role



The table below shows the voltage and approximate state of charge for each type of battery.



Note: The figures are based on open circuit readings; i.e. when the deep cycle battery isn't under load and hasn't been under load for a few hours. This scenario may not occur very often in a battery based system that's continually being used; so the best time to take the reading is early in the morning before the sun hits your panels, in the evening as the sun is setting, or when it's very overcast. If if you take a reading while the battery is receiving charge, it could read anything up to 14.5 volts.



If you take the reading when the panels aren't exposed to the sun, as there will likely be power being drawn at the time, you can assume that whatever the voltage reading, it's a conservative estimate. Once all load is removed from a battery, voltage can bounce back up substantially.



State of Charge


Sealed or Flooded Lead Acid

100% 12.70+


Gel battery


12.85+


AGM battery

12.80+


See link for chart

Battery depth of discharge



General rule of thumb: the less your deep cycle battery is discharged before being properly recharged again, the longer it will last.



Here's an example:



A Sonnenschein Solar Bloc 100 AH Gel Battery discharged to a depth of 70%, i.e. with only 30% or 30 AH (amp hours) remaining, will have a lifespan of around 1200 cycles, which is quite impressive. However, if it's only discharged to 50%, the expected number of cycles skyrockets to around 1700! If a cycle is a day, that adds over 1.25 years to the life of the battery.



Depth of discharge, also known as DOD, shouldn't be any more than 50% in most deep cycle batteries in order to get the best value for money. So if you have a 100 AH battery, consider the cut-off discharge depth being 50 AH.



Depth of discharge is a very important calculation you should make when choosing the size of a deep cycle battery.



Here's another example: If you want to power a laptop computer, check the amps rating on the adaptor. It's likely to be somewhere between the 3 and 5 amp mark. This translates to probably around 2 - 4 amps an hour under normal usage as your laptop won't be using the full amount at all times. So, based on the lower end:



100 AH battery = 50 AH available capacity/2 amp draw = 25 hours usage.



As mentioned, there's 4 main types of deep cycle battery - sealed lead acid, flooded lead acid, gel and AGM. To learn more about the difference between them, view our deep cycle battery guide.



Energy Matters offers one of the widest deep cycle battery ranges in Australia - and at the best prices! If you'd like some expert, obligation-free advice on deep cycle battery selection, contact our friendly team. You can also use our Remote Area Power Supply (RAPS) system calculator to determine your off grid solar energy system requirements and suitable components.



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http://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-energy/batteries/battery-voltage-discharge.php

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