rockhillmanor
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I'm on the other side of that coin after reading the FDA report last time they went into that plant for an investigation after the aflotoxin poisonings. There was GROSS negligence at that plant. They did not keep the required records, they were not testing all of the incoming ingredients as required and the few that they did, had levels 10 times higher than allowed and they STILL put it into the food. And this practice had been going on quite some time even before the recall.
Sorry a plant that management allows and condones that manner of doing business in the processing plant is one to stay away from.
Dogs died from their gross negligence last time which is why the FDA went in to investigate and discovered all the infractions.
THAT is why it is to a plants advantage to 'voluntarily' recall......the FDA is not required to go in and do a full investigation when they do a voluntary recall so their records are not revealed.
FDA explains their procedures of how and when they are allowed to investigate in their website and readily admit that is where the loop holes are. Loopholes that allow plants to continue not following the guidelines and making dogs sick, owners having vet bills, and their condition written off by vets to something else.
"We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us".
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BCSnob
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In other words, you do not believe people or companies can or will change their ways after they are caught.
If you never do business with any company that has been forced to have a recall or voluntarily did a recall where are you buying food? Is there a meat processing plant that supplies grocery stores that has not had a recall?
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BCSnob
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"USDA human grade certified facility"
Marketing BS????
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azgundog
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Sure people & companies can change but how many chances do we continue to give them? I am not willing to put my dog's life at risk.
I used Canidae for years until they moved there processing to Diamond. The food changed and my dogs (4 of them) started getting sick so I switched. You saw people jumping ship from the product.
There are dog food companies (not the big name ones) making food that has not had recalls and there ingredients are all from the US.
We all make decisions on what we use by what makes us comfortable and we can not fault anyone for that.
Rockhillmanor: I could not get your link to work.
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BCSnob
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"Our products are routinely tested for all contaminants....."
No such thing as testing for ALL.
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BCSnob
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azgundog wrote:There are dog food companies (not the big name ones) making food that has not had recalls and there ingredients are all from the US. How long have these companies been selling product relative to those that have had recalls?
Give them time, they will have a recall.
What they do when there is a recall will show you what kind of company they are.
Sourcing ingredients from the USA does not guarantee there won't be a recall; aflatoxin, e coli, salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, etc. are everywhere food is grown.
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Fromms: Since 1904, The Fromm Family has maintained a tradition of quiet innovation dedicated to the health and nutrition of animals. In the 1930's, The Fromm Family introduced the first canine distemper vaccine. In 1949, we introduced the concept of premium pet food to the public. As the country's first and oldest premium pet food company.
There is one company - I am sure there are more if you go research like I do.
I am fully aware that US ingredients can have issues but our standards are higher than stuff coming in from China as long as the US based companies/ingredients are following procedures.
I am not looking for an argument - there are US companies out there if people do there homework and make calls to the companies instead of saying oh well they made a mistake.
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Deb and Ed M
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I agree with Mark that a lot of pet food marketing is merely "hype" - I'm also comforted (?) by the fact that my dogs can eat garbage/long-dead stuff/feces from God-only-knows what.... and survive. And since we humans have to dodge salmonella outbreaks from time to time - I'm hardly surprised when it shows up in dog food and kudos to Diamond for catching it.
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rockhillmanor
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BCSnob wrote:In other words, you do not believe people or companies can or will change their ways after they are caught.....
Nope, not when you keep seeing it happen at the same plant and you see on the FDA report that they actually did test some ingredients and it revealed the levels where beyond what was acceptable and at a level so high it caused sickness and death AND they STILL USED THE PRODUCT and even recorded it on their own paperwork.
This shows management is fully aware and condones the process and does not want to refuse shipments of ingredients that do not conform to the FDA standards for what is safe for fear of stopping production. I only just learned about how many premium brands are produced there when ALL of my dogs got sick and found out Solid Gold had 'just' changed over to the Diamond plant.
When ALL my dogs get sick it is easy to see it is the food. Especially when the bag denotes a change of where it is produced. And when I dig back on the shelves and find one with the original plant and all my dogs are fine on that well it's not to hard to figure out why!
The owner who only has one dog is usually off to the vet and $$$$ to find out why and rarely thinks its the food.
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When there are numerous recalls from one plant, one has to believe it is done on a daily basis and only when it reaches serious levels enough to produce complaints and reports from owners is it addressed.
Go back and look at all the dog food recalls over the past years and see WHERE those brands where produced. The FDA recall procedures only state the brand name of the dog food NOT the plant it is produced at.
The new Diamond Dog food recall just happens to be produced in their own plant.
Diamond now has hundreds of different brands being produced in their plant.
BTW regarding the Fromm post. This IS one of the few companies that has its own plant, is locally owned well respected and operated in a town in Wisconsin and and as far as I know has been producing quality food and has been squeaky clean for years. Back in the 70's it was the only company that provided canned dog food with ONLY chicken and water. No chemicals etc. Unheard of back then!
What I have observed is every single premium food that WAS produced by their own company and then went into the large chain stores has moved their production to other plants, compromised their ingredients to make more money. I.E. Iams, Eukanuba, Solid Gold and MANY others.
AND they don't have to note that changes have been made in the ingredients on the bag.
If you start seeing your premium food being sold at a chain store....run don't walk away from buying it anymore.! 
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BCSnob
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Have fun with your dog food search each time you find something not quite perfect about the company or food your currently using.
At some point you may want to look into why some dogs are more sensitive to foods and changes in foods than other dogs.
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