At the end of the day, there's sometimes little or nothing that one can do to eliminate the music that bombards us in campgrounds. My last line of defense is a pair of foam earplugs. Too bad it has to come to this.
Don't get me wrong~ I'm not talking about someone who has some quiet music playing at their site, I'm talking about the guys & girls that open the doors of their truck, and crank up the bass for the whole campground to "enjoy", for hours at a time. Its all about respect, or lack thereof.
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Judging by the responses (and my experiences in the states)...Yes.
You're stereotyping based on nationality? C'mon, surprise me.
Nope..I said experiences in the states....didn't say Americans, once again read what I am saying.
Quote: The Forest Service standard, nebulous as it is, says that your music should not be so loud as to disturb other campers.
That's exactly my point. How do you know it disturbs others? Sound might be reflecting off something or like I said earlier, my hearing sucks compared to yours.
Quote: Are we arguing about music blasting or a small group (3or5) of normal healthy adults enjoying a fire some refresments, some music and camaderie with friends or family. I'm sorry,but you will hear muted music, conversation and laughter coming from my site. That is the nature of the beast plain and simple. I paid the same money as you for my site and I have a RIGHT to use my site in any way that does not violate law or exceed societal standards.
I am a decent guy and unless you were a complete jerk you probably were extended an invitation to join us.
If you want to hear nothing your expectations are unrealistic, and you should restrict yourself to boondocking.
Exactly... Btw. We're not talking about the partier or the music blaster.
JN_B wrote: Judging by the responses (and my experiences in the states)...Yes.
You're stereotyping based on nationality? C'mon, surprise me.
JN_B wrote: If I'm camping at a campground and following the campground rules. I am doing NOTHING wrong. I could care less about your "personal space" since you do not OWN that site, and I paid just as much (if not more) to be there.
I think you just put your finger on the biggest difference between you and I.
But, to the question at hand. If you are following camp rules - that is, you are not operating any audio device, such as a radio or musical instrument, so that it disturbs other visitors, as per U.S. Forest Service rules - I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about people that play a radio so loud that it disturbs others in the campground.
JN_B wrote: So what would the next step be then(instead of complaining about it on the interweb)?
If I'm camped next to one of the .0000001 percent you say won't listen to or respect others' requests, I kick it up the ladder of authority. But, seeing that I often camp in remote campgrounds that have neither camp hosts nor patrolling rangers, this is often not an option. Having witnessed fist-fights break out over this very issue, I usually chose not to escalate the matter beyond a one-time request to turn it down.
JN_B wrote: If I'm sitting there listening to music, how do I know what your "too loud" is?
The Forest Service standard, nebulous as it is, says that your music should not be so loud as to disturb other campers. I choose not to play music at my campsite at any volume that can be heard in another site.
Champion generators are accepted by the Forest Service. That should give you an idea of what an acceptable volume is.
Quote: Sigh ... so you really think no one here has ever tried talking to a "suspect" and asked them to turn down their music? LOL
Judging by the responses (and my experiences in the states)...Yes.
Quote: The problem with that is that too many people, like yourself apparently, think that they are entitled to RV however they want,regardless of who it infringes upon.
Why is that a problem? If I'm camping at a campground and following the campground rules. I am doing NOTHING wrong. I could care less about your "personal space" since you do not OWN that site, and I paid just as much (if not more) to be there. Define Personal space..What infringes on you, may not infringe on me and vice versa.
You're forgetting one thing, I never said i was the partier, in fact I'm quite the opposite in regards to noise. I try to make everyone's experience an enjoyable one at the campground (ie, I keep my kids under control, music reasonable (if on at all)), in fact, I'm one of few (obvious by this topic), that will socialize with others at the campground. If someone comes over and has a noise concern, I acknowledge it, as long as: #1 the person is asking respectfully, and #2 the person in being reasonable. If the person is complaining about my son laughing too loudly, well..you get the point (I hope).
Quote: I can agree with you but can you agree with my campsite my rules. Meaning I should not have to put up with your noise and you mine.
Yes, But this is exactly what I mean. If I'm sitting there listening to music, how do I know what your "too loud" is? This may not be intentional, but maybe my hearing is not as good as yours (ironic), so what seems like a reasonable level to me, is not a reasonable level to you. Or maybe I did the walk test, turn the music on, walked 10ft from the source, and couldn't hear it, but then you're 15ft away and can hear it like your sitting in the concert. You see what I mean. There's a level of tolerance that needs to be defined, and people are typically more reasonable if a relationship is developed before the "problem" starts.
Quote: Many of us have "grown some," and have no problem with asking someone to turn down a radio. But in my experience, the very type of person who thinks it's OK to blast their music across a campground is often the type that is least likely to respect you or your request. You know, the ones that feel entitled to RV any way they please.
So what would the next step be then(instead of complaining about it on the interweb)?
Quote: Exactly. Generally if the person is at all considerate, they wouldn't be blasting their stuff in the first place. Even worse, my experience is that the same people with the loud music who get the ranger called on them in the first place wouldn't hesitate to slash someone's tires later in the evening as an act of revenge.
Even more the reason to befriend them before the incident. IE. they wouldn't suspect you. ACtually, I have done this many times.
Believe the word is reasionable. We all make noise. But a person should not hear someones music say four camp sites away. And flood lights are not necessary.
pitch wrote: Are we arguing about music blasting or a small group (3or5) of normal healthy adults enjoying a fire some refresments, some music and camaderie with friends or family. I'm sorry,but you will hear muted music, conversation and laughter coming from my site. That is the nature of the beast plain and simple. I paid the same money as you for my site and I have a RIGHT to use my site in any way that does not violate law or exceed societal standards.
I am a decent guy and unless you were a complete jerk you probably were extended an invitation to join us.
If you want to hear nothing your expectations are unrealistic, and you should restrict yourself to boondocking.
I am talking about a parter and music blaster. I am not talking about someone listening to their music at a level that I can just hear it. I'm talking about me going into my coach and closing it up and still hearing the music
JN_B wrote:
Quote: JN_B wrote:
Judging by the responses (and my experiences in the states)...Yes.
You're stereotyping based on nationality? C'mon, surprise me.
Nope..I said experiences in the states....didn't say Americans, once again read what I am saying.
Quote: The Forest Service standard, nebulous as it is, says that your music should not be so loud as to disturb other campers.
That's exactly my point. How do you know it disturbs others? Sound might be reflecting off something or like I said earlier, my hearing sucks compared to yours.
Quote: Are we arguing about music blasting or a small group (3or5) of normal healthy adults enjoying a fire some refresments, some music and camaderie with friends or family. I'm sorry,but you will hear muted music, conversation and laughter coming from my site. That is the nature of the beast plain and simple. I paid the same money as you for my site and I have a RIGHT to use my site in any way that does not violate law or exceed societal standards.
I am a decent guy and unless you were a complete jerk you probably were extended an invitation to join us.
If you want to hear nothing your expectations are unrealistic, and you should restrict yourself to boondocking.
Exactly... Btw. We're not talking about the partier or the music blaster.
Jagtech wrote: Don't get me wrong~ I'm not talking about someone who has some quiet music playing at their site, I'm talking about the guys & girls that open the doors of their truck, and crank up the bass for the whole campground to "enjoy", for hours at a time.
I recall many years ago we were traveling from the coast (Seattle area) to relatives in Roy Montana and we made it all the way to the Continental Divide the first night and found a delightful Forest Service Campground right on the top. It was so cool for us sea level folks to be camping up so high and be able to look east and west in this no hookup, no host, and no ranger campground. Yep, young folks below us shared their music for all on both sides of the continental divide to hear, but I tolerated it since it was Allen Jackson and I do love CW music. It did end at dusk and my experience wasn’t ruined.
As some earlier post in this thread got a little personal, and opinions were made, I can’t help but think that all who participate (or read and don’t post) in these forums will take that knowledge with them when they actually go camping. Human nature many times is to be defensive, whether confronted in a forum or in person, but after that confrontation many times behavior changes. And if not, well then let’s hope the next generation of campers is better than ours.
Gorgeous weather here in the NW this Saturday morning, time to put the laptop away and go outside. Hans
It seems that the trend on here is to assume that anybody that is going to listen to music while camping is going to do so at rock concert volume, not always the case. Also anyone that expects absolutely no sound what so ever from others in a campground, has unrealistic expectations.
Many on this thread have said this or that is unnecessary when camping. That can go alot of ways.
What one person sees as "unnecessary" may be the way someone else enjoys their camping experience. I could go on to say that someones 1-ton + tv pullling their 40ft 5er, or their 38'+DP or even a Pup or tent is unnecessry as all I have to have to camp is a sleeping bag and backpack (done it many times).
Again I will say the people that are complaining about music (or other noise) from other camp sites and seem to have a problem with anyone who doesnt camp exactly the way they do, get out of the campground, go somewhere to boondock where there is nobody around for miles and enjoy your "silence" though the next thread from them will be a complaint that one type of bird is drowning out the one THEY want to hear.
All that said, I enjoy all different types of camping. Be it in a campground full of people and all the different things going on around us with campfires, and music playing, kids running around playing with their barking dogs, to being miles from anyone else after having hiked to get there, to throwing a tent and cooler in my Jeep and camping next to a river in the woods down an offroad trail somewhere. Yes probably with the radio in the Jeep playing
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