Please participate in this study if you are affected by HOAs and CCRs:
""As part of the study contained in Public Law No. 112-96, the
Commission has opened a 45 day period for comments to be filed on
the issue," said ARRL Regulatory Information Manager Dan Henderson,
N1ND. "Because of the short deadline for the study to be completed
and presented to Congress -- before the end of August -- the ARRL
and the amateur community must quickly mobilize their response."
The FCC Public Notice focuses on two specific areas for comments.
The first is the role that Amateur Radio has played and continues to
play to support emergency and disaster relief organizations, such as
FEMA and local/state emergency management agencies. The second is to
determine impediments to enhanced Amateur Radio communications. This
would include the impact that private land-use regulations -- such
as deed restrictions and homeowner association covenants -- have on
the ability of licensed amateurs to fully participate in providing
support communications to the served agencies.
"This study is not about zoning ordinances or regulations adopted by
the local or state governments," Henderson explained. "Amateurs
already have the limited protection of PRB-1 to assist them with
those situations. The areas of concern here are the limitations that
are placed on a property when it is purchased, either as part of the
deed of sale or by restrictions imposed by the
neighborhood/homeowner's association. Those restrictions --
sometimes referred to as CC&Rs -- are not currently covered by the
FCC's PRB-1 decision from 1985.""
If you are an ARRL member, you may have already been advised of this.
"It is important that when you provide specifics of your CC&R, you
also provide the ARRL with a copy of its actual wording. If you have
the CC&R in a digital format (or you can scan the document into a
file), it can either be uploaded through the website above or it can
be sent via an e-mail to CCRinfo@arrl.org . If you do not have an
electronic format, a hard copy may be sent via US mail to: CCR Study
Information, ARRL, 225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111."
If your ability to communicate is hampered by HOA or CCR rules, send the information off ASAP!
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we're both hams and fortunately...and on purpose...we do not live in an HOA. we were out looking at houses here in mesa, az. a couple of days ago. one subdivision had 50x20x20 RV garages but did not permit external radio antennas.
so, no, we don't, wouldn't want to and won't live or build in an HOA as HOA's are all about restrictions. the HOA my mother lives in has 32-pages...32!...of restrictions. one former employee lived under a really repressive HOA that dictated the shape, size and color of the trash cans.
but...nobody is forced to live in an HOA. don't like the rules and restrictions then go somewhere else. i don't think the gov't should be telling HOAs what they can and cannot do. that probably puts me in the minority of hams but so be it.
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n9dko, but in the same token, why should a HOA limit someones hobby. I encourage all the help a ham can get to fight these power hungry HOA's. Remember, in a lot of times, the newer HOA's had not addressed the antenna issue, until a ham tries to put a antenna up. Then all of a sudden, it's against the HOA unwritten rules. JMHO
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree...
Even though I am not an active participant in ARES activities, I still feel that communications by amateur radio operators is a major part of disaster readiness. Any rule that limits that readiness has a deleterious effect on National Security, IMO.
I, too, do not live in an area where I have to be concerned about such CCRs or an HOA. In fact, when we were house hunting I walked away from a very nice place just because of the CCRs!
However, when rules are tied to a deed that restrict the activities of the homeowner for purely aesthetic reasons, having nothing to do with safety, I think they should be struck down, especially when it could have an effect, however minor, on national security and the health and welfare of my neighbors!
KJ7POE
mdock2 wrote: n9dko, but in the same token, why should a HOA limit someones hobby. I encourage all the help a ham can get to fight these power hungry HOA's. Remember, in a lot of times, the newer HOA's had not addressed the antenna issue, until a ham tries to put a antenna up. Then all of a sudden, it's against the HOA unwritten rules. JMHO
and what if that hobby is raising chickens or repairing diesel engines for fun and profit? HOAs are comprised of people voluntarily banding together with like-minded people to maintain a certain lifestyle. as misguided as they are concerning RVs and ham radio it's their choice. why should a govt. agency infringe upon their rights to enjoy their property? after all, it is a hobby (your words)...not national security.
mowermech wrote: I guess we will just have to agree to disagree...
Even though I am not an active participant in ARES activities, I still feel that communications by amateur radio operators is a major part of disaster readiness. Any rule that limits that readiness has a deleterious effect on National Security, IMO.
I, too, do not live in an area where I have to be concerned about such CCRs or an HOA. In fact, when we were house hunting I walked away from a very nice place just because of the CCRs!
However, when rules are tied to a deed that restrict the activities of the homeowner for purely aesthetic reasons, having nothing to do with safety, I think they should be struck down, especially when it could have an effect, however minor, on national security and the health and welfare of my neighbors!
KJ7POE
i mentioned national security in my previous response before reading yours. quite the coincidence, eh. i think most CCRs are stupid, wrong headed and elitist and i'll have nothing to do with them. but nobody is forcing anyone to live in an HOA. even though it's a bit of a stretch to connect the dots of storm response and national security i understand your point. but the govt has no business and no vested interest in intefering with private property rights.
Agree to disagree...yes my words were it's a hobby. A hobby first, disaster & Public Service second. HOWEVER, in my case, my equipment is used 99% of the time supporting my county emergency management, public service events and in support of other ARES groups. And I hate to say, the main reason is that it's such a pain in the $*$ to set up the gear for a day or 2 while on the road. And yes I still work with my county EM while on the road by way of Echolink, and the computer based program WebEOC. Yes, I do understand that both are internet based, and can be made useless due to tower damage.
I do like the wording that was used in another post "restrict the activities of the homeowner for purely aesthetic reasons, having nothing to do with safety" defines what I was trying to say.
I am a Ham (but not very active), a RV'er (Duh), and a staunch opponent of both HOA/CCRs and government interference into private property rights. So where do I stand on this one? I think my Libertarian leanings prevail here. Allow me to explain:
The idea that HOAs have the right to organize and limit/control what happens in their neighborhood makes sense, to a point. Likewise, as an owner of private property, what I do with it is no one else's concern, to a point. Meaning that my individual rights should not be infringed on my private property, (after all, I didn't buy into a Co-Op or other type of group living) unless there is an over-riding public interest. If you want to raise geese in the middle of the development, go for it. If you want to sent up an outdoor pistol range, then maybe the community gets a say as to its existence or construction design. (One reason why I shoot in the basement.) Hope this makes sense.
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Eyegor wrote: I am a Ham (but not very active), a RV'er (Duh), and a staunch opponent of both HOA/CCRs and government interference into private property rights. So where do I stand on this one? I think my Libertarian leanings prevail here. Allow me to explain:
The idea that HOAs have the right to organize and limit/control what happens in their neighborhood makes sense, to a point. Likewise, as an owner of private property, what I do with it is no one else's concern, to a point. Meaning that my individual rights should not be infringed on my private property, (after all, I didn't buy into a Co-Op or other type of group living) unless there is an over-riding public interest. If you want to raise geese in the middle of the development, go for it. If you want to sent up an outdoor pistol range, then maybe the community gets a say as to its existence or construction design. (One reason why I shoot in the basement.) Hope this makes sense.
the operative words here are "over-riding public interest" and as much i'd like it to be, ham radio just doesn't rise to that level. good post.
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