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mowermech wrote:

There ARE ways to get around the issue, of course.
We have people using the top wire of fences as a "stealth antenna".
We have people using rain gutters.
We even had one operator using an insulated wire laying in the landscaping rocks (he was renting, and moved out of the restrictive development as soon as he could). Home built Stealth Antenna ideas are nearly limitless.

As stated in the article, municipal zoning laws forbidding antenna structures have been pretty well eliminated ("This study is not about zoning ordinances or regulations adopted by the local or state governments," Henderson explained. "Amateurs already have the limited protection of PRB-1 to assist them with those situations."
Why should CC&Rs and HOAs be allowed to do things that local and state governments can not do?


How's this for a 'stealth antenna'?




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camperpaul wrote:

mowermech wrote:

There ARE ways to get around the issue, of course.
We have people using the top wire of fences as a "stealth antenna".
We have people using rain gutters.
We even had one operator using an insulated wire laying in the landscaping rocks (he was renting, and moved out of the restrictive development as soon as he could). Home built Stealth Antenna ideas are nearly limitless.

As stated in the article, municipal zoning laws forbidding antenna structures have been pretty well eliminated ("This study is not about zoning ordinances or regulations adopted by the local or state governments," Henderson explained. "Amateurs already have the limited protection of PRB-1 to assist them with those situations."
Why should CC&Rs and HOAs be allowed to do things that local and state governments can not do?


How's this for a 'stealth antenna'?



Very nice. Are there plans available? Have you given any thought to writing an article about it for one of the Amateur Radio magazines (QST, etc.)?
If not, I think you should!
HMMM... I wonder if the HOA board would find any objections to such "yard art"...


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SCVJeff wrote:

rk911 wrote:

mowermech wrote:

...Why should CC&Rs and HOAs be allowed to do things that local and state governments can not do?


because private property rights (should and sometimes do) trump the power of government. the powers of government, especially the federala government, are limited,
And there are times that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (wish I'd said that..))


yes, and that's what emminent domain is for. as much as i love it and as much as i detest CCRs the sad fact is that ham radio just doesn't rise to the level of a 'need'. and as far as HOAs are concerned they are the many and we, hams, are the few.


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mowermech wrote:

rk911 wrote:

mowermech wrote:

...Why should CC&Rs and HOAs be allowed to do things that local and state governments can not do?


because private property rights (should and sometimes do) trump the power of government. the powers of government, especially the federala government, are limited,


I don't see the comparison. The writer of the CC&Rs does not own the property anymore. Somebody else bought it from him, and he FORCED the new owner to accept HIS ideas of what is proper on the property. Yes, it IS force! Accept it, or go away, period!
If private property rights are paramount, the buyer should be able to tell the developer to take his CC&Rs and his HOA and "GET OFF MY LAND, YOU ARE TRESPASSING!"
But the new owner can't do that, can he. He has given up his "private property rights" by buying the land. He has NO private property rights, because the HOA owns them! If he tries to buck the HOA, they can and will enter liens on his property, and if he doesn't pay the liens, the HOA board can auction the property.
"Private Property Rights"?? That's a laugh!


most, maybe even many, HOAs start life as a series of CCRs put into place by the builder/developer and then morph into an HOA. a buyer comes along, looks at the development, likes what he sees and decides to buy so negotiations begin. during those negotiations the buyer is shown a list of restrictions. the prospective buyer can either accept of reject those restrictions. the owner/developer/builder has the right to pretty much do whatever he wants with his property and the buyer has the right to tell him to stick it.

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blangen wrote:

The interesting thing about deed restrictions is any sale (and purchase) is contingent on the previous owner's desires. Often, a developer has obligations to those who have bought surrounding properties previously. In short, any current owner can deed restrict a property he owns and can enforce said restrictions on any and all future buyers. It's a voluntary contract. Say, for example, your mother lives in a house on an adjoining property and is deathly allergic to tomatoes. You, in preparation to sell your property, could deed restrict your property so that no future owner could grow tomatoes within 500 feet of her property line. If the buyer agrees, we have a meeting of the minds and both parties have willingly entered into a contract for purchase. Nothing wrong there.

But, just for fair and balanced... I would never buy deed restricted, conservation easements, etc because I think it negatively affects the resale values. And, ultimately, these entities are playing with a double edged sword. If the marketability is negatively affected, they ultimately lose. Free market... gotta love it!


'm with you 100% on that. the free market works if government will just get out of the way.

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How's this for a 'stealth antenna'?



Very nice. Are there plans available? Have you given any thought to writing an article about it for one of the Amateur Radio magazines (QST, etc.)?
If not, I think you should!
HMMM... I wonder if the HOA board would find any objections to such "yard art"...


I used to manufacture and sell those antennas...

I also made a 'dummy' version - looked just like the antenna but was just a weather-vane. There was a townhouse complex in CA that bought 30 of the weather-vanes and installed one on each building in the complex. The secretary of the HOA was a Ham and installed the antenna on the building where he lived.

Sorry, no plans available - the $1,500 cost of the tooling required to make one would be prohibitive.

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camperpaul wrote:

mowermech wrote:

camperpaul wrote:



How's this for a 'stealth antenna'?



Very nice. Are there plans available? Have you given any thought to writing an article about it for one of the Amateur Radio magazines (QST, etc.)?
If not, I think you should!
HMMM... I wonder if the HOA board would find any objections to such "yard art"...


I used to manufacture and sell those antennas...

I also made a 'dummy' version - looked just like the antenna but was just a weather-vane. There was a townhouse complex in CA that bought 30 of the weather-vanes and installed one on each building in the complex. The secretary of the HOA was a Ham and installed the antenna on the building where he lived.

Sorry, no plans available - the $1,500 cost of the tooling required to make one would be prohibitive.


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CAMPER PAUL wrote:

How's this for a 'stealth antenna'?



Havent seen that one before but a bunch of others... I had a Flag pole setup once in Tempe AZ that was sitting on a big insulator. It loaded up great on 40M up...

Hard to keep a good Ham down right??

I see alot of stealth antennas mounted on the sewer vents on the roofs... Hard to tell...

Everyone of those guys woould have a nice TV antenna in the attic also...

In Germany where the wood fence poles were outlawed we always loaded up the fences that were supported by the concrete fence posts... The old BC-610's would load up anything including a 6X6 sitting in the parking lot.


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I live in an HOA and when the house was built, I had it moved over 1 1/2 feet so I could get a 10ft "RV GATE" installed. But I cant keep it at home because I cant have anything that sticks up over the fence. House is for sale if anyone is interested.


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"most, maybe even many, HOAs start life as a series of CCRs put into place by the builder/developer and then morph into an HOA."

The HOAs that I have seen were created BY the CC&Rs. Until the lots are sold, the developer and his family are the HOA. Once enough lots are sold that the owners can take over from the developer, the HOA board is created by the new owners, and the power struggle begins.
IMO, it all goes downhill from there!

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