I have read a few folks a ditching the 16"s and going with 17.5" Tires are not a lot more but new rims too???? Why cant the trailer mfg get away from as cheap a material and supplier as will get the trailer home. I sure as heck would have rather spent the difference between the******that comes on the trailer to something that will last.
I think the weight being referred to on the tag is the amount of empty weight on the axles. It's not the GAWR. Add the Axle and Tongue weights and subtract from 13,000 and you have the Cargo Capacity.
Mark, Cathy and Zoey (aka The Golden Missle)
2011 F350 CCSB 6.7 (aka Frosty)
2011 Cyclone 2812 (aka The Little Guy)
Lasher Sport ATH
Lasher Sport BTX
The label you need to look at is in this approimate location
Looks like this:
YES Yes, that is the label I am talking about...
My TH label says, GAWR6645 lbs. each axle.
New,the TH came with those axles and 16" tires, says right on the tire, 235/80/16E 3480lbs, 80lbs inflation.
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YES Yes, that is the label I am talking about...
My TH label says, GAWR6645 lbs. each axle.
New,the TH came with those axles and 16" tires, says right on the tire, 235/80/16E 3480lbs, 80lbs inflation.
Not many choices for you on LT tires due to the derated 7K axles. The typical LT235/85R16 LR E tire talked about by many here XPS Rib, R250 don't have enought capacity.
Goodyear G614 or offshore LT235/85R16 LR G
Same size ST or a higher capacity ST but still probably dubious quality.
Ulitmate upgrade would be 215/75R17.5 commercial tires and wheels, but this is costly.
If the trailers GVWR is 13000 lbs with 3 axles it won't need 17.5" tires and wheels.
Even if the unit weighed full 13000 GVWR on the axles thats only approx 2200 lb per tire. Any of the LT235/85 or LT245/75-16 E at 3042 lbs or even the smaller LT225/75 or LT215/85-16 E at 2680 lbs each will handle a 13k GVWR tripple axle trailer even with three 10k axles.
What is the trailers actual scaled gross weight ?
Or did I miss a higher GVWR ???
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers
'03 2500 QC Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs Westach
'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 gvwr two slides
Not many choices for you on LT tires due to the derated 7K axles. The typical LT235/85R16 LR E tire talked about by many here XPS Rib, R250 don't have enought capacity.
Not sure that holds true for me.
Six, 3042# tires, would get me to 18,252 total tire load. 5252lbs more than my Toy Haulers 13,000 max fully loaded rating.
Even If I overload it to 16,000# still 2252# below the tire limit, no? Or am I thinking all wrong here?
Thats why I posted this in an above post...
allcool wrote:
It never made sense to me that the max gvwr is 13,000 but it has three 6645# axles.
That would mean the combined axles are capable of 19,935#... so why only the 13,000 GVWR ??? If the frame is the reason why, then why put axles on that are way over the frames capability ? Why not use cheaper 5000lbs axles with 15 inch tires. Three 5000lbs axles would still give more than enough load to support the 13,000 TH gvwr...?
JIMNLIN wrote: If the trailers GVWR is 13000 lbs with 3 axles it won't need 17.5" tires and wheels.
Even if the unit weighed full 13000 GVWR on the axles thats only approx 2200 lb per tire. Any of the LT235/85 or LT245/75-16 E at 3042 lbs or even the smaller LT225/75 or LT215/85-16 E at 2680 lbs each will handle a 13k GVWR tripple axle trailer even with three 10k axles.
What is the trailers actual scaled gross weight ?
Or did I miss a higher GVWR ???
Per OP the GAWR is 6645 on the Fed Tag. These era Warrior trailers had GVWR problems and GAWR/Axle size would be a safer tire measuring stick.
JIMNLIN wrote: If the trailers GVWR is 13000 lbs with 3 axles it won't need 17.5" tires and wheels.
Even if the unit weighed full 13000 GVWR on the axles thats only approx 2200 lb per tire. Any of the LT235/85 or LT245/75-16 E at 3042 lbs or even the smaller LT225/75 or LT215/85-16 E at 2680 lbs each will handle a 13k GVWR tripple axle trailer even with three 10k axles.
What is the trailers actual scaled gross weight ?
Or did I miss a higher GVWR ???
JIMNLIN, that is exactly what I've been thinking...
As for the TH weight...I'm looking at the cat scale report right now...
Back around last Xmas, went to the scales with my empty TH, except for about 3/4 tank fuel on both fuel tanks, so maybe 40gals fuel total for aprox 300lbs.
Had some tools and clothes, little dry food stuff in the pantry,but not a lot.
Had all 3 TH axles on 1 scale pad 9800lbs
Had the rear truck on another scale pad 4880lbs
The truck front on the 3rd scale pad 4340lbs
The scales said total weight 19,020lbs
The 2012 chevy 3/4ton duramax truck weight on the door pillar said 6200 and other than a full tank of diesel fuel, 36gal (300bs?) and maybe 100lbs of cargo max, that was total truck weight
From my math,not sure if its right, it looks like my tongue weight was 2620lbs
and my TH weight was aprox 12,400lbs
Since then some have said I must have read the sticker wrong on the truck, since most 3/4 ton durmax 2012 are at least 7400+ lbs. So if I did misread the truck sticker(doubtful), could get an extra 1200# or so more load capacity in my TH than I thought...
I understand your thinking but you don't have enough scale data to know if your plan is good or not.
To make a decision like this - individual axle weights plus individual tire weights are needed. Can't get there with a Cat truck stop scale usually due to their configuration.
A reputable tire dealer may not do what you want either due to liability.
A good tool to make your decision is this Bridgestone RV Weighing Guide PDF.
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