Had a 97 ford expedition, was one of the best and most reliable vehicles I have ever had. Sold it with 147k miles on it. Put AC clutch on it and thats it!! Small V-8 got 19 mpg on hwy.
AS far as a 6.0 PSD, couldnt give me one, GREAT TRUCK, just cant trust the motor.
Had a 95 dodge, fit and finish crappy, sucked gas and fell apart,
BUT I would still buy another. All brands make their good and bad. FOR every person on here or other forums,that says something is bad or good ,there are THOUSANDS of others out there that will say different...
I live in a small area, and the dealers here will let you test drive the vehicles for a day or 2. I had several to try out. Had an 2011 Dodge, drove nice, still think the fit and finish and interior is not as well as the fords or GM.. Doesnt seem to have that quality of the ford or Gm, But is acceptable and has the cummins. Too me fit and finish ,number one Ford, Then GM and then Dodge. BUT too me as far as NEW trucks, they all have thier plus and minus and would buy either of them. EACH brand has years to avoid....!!
ME, if buying new would buy the New ford... I was looking used at around 2008 models, I was looking and narrowed it to the dodge mega cab or duramax... I was game for either one, I ended up with a 2008 duramax with 29k miles.. I think the 2007 GMC I had that was wrecked was a more solid truck than the 2008 new style. I also thought the 2008 style dodge was better made than new dodge..(fit/finish and interior) Just my thoughts.. Like I say, for everyone that has something positive or negative to say on here, there are thousands of others out there that will say the opposite. AND everyone has different PERCEPTIONS on fit and finish, comfort and things of that nature..
chuggs wrote: I love my 98 Dodge. We had a Ford Expedition...and it will be a very long time before I buy another Ford.
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SoCalDesertRider wrote: One thing about Dodge, in order to retain the payload capacity you have with your '08 F350, you must get the Dodge dually. The Dodge 3500 with single rear wheels has far less payload capacity, a much lower GVWR and much lower RGAWR than the '05-up F350's with single rear wheels.
Dodge 3500SRW
GVWR 10,100
RGAWR 6200
Dodge 3500DRW
GVWR 12,xxx
RGAWR 9350
Ford F350SRW
GVWR 11,500
RGAWR 7050
/thread
Ram should spend it's resources on what matters; payload instead of dash layout. Informed buyers are sticking with Ford adn GM because of it.
And why are they the only ones with a 4.10-diesel? GM and Ford can move more weight with less gear; why can't they?
I can't disagree with you about the payload capacity vs. GM and Ford but you can get the 6.7 geared at 3.42, 3.73 or 4.10. All of those will move load's quite well with the 6.7. I think they did a good job with gear ratio's. I just can't help but think that Dodge is a little to conservative when rating the capabilities of these trucks, or maybe GM and Ford are a little to liberal when rating there's.
SoCalDesertRider wrote: One thing about Dodge, in order to retain the payload capacity you have with your '08 F350, you must get the Dodge dually. The Dodge 3500 with single rear wheels has far less payload capacity, a much lower GVWR and much lower RGAWR than the '05-up F350's with single rear wheels.
Dodge 3500SRW
GVWR 10,100
RGAWR 6200
Dodge 3500DRW
GVWR 12,xxx
RGAWR 9350
Ford F350SRW
GVWR 11,500
RGAWR 7050
/thread
Ram should spend it's resources on what matters; payload instead of dash layout. Informed buyers are sticking with Ford adn GM because of it.
And why are they the only ones with a 4.10-diesel? GM and Ford can move more weight with less gear; why can't they?
Final drive ratios are tied to what ratios the transmission has in overdrive or overdrives. The end result will be about the same from one truck to another no matter what number is in the axle. My Ram has 3:73 gears and turns about 1800 rpm at 60mph. A Ford or GM probably turns about the same at the same speed even though they might have a totally different rear axle ratio. The gear ratios in the transmissions are way different. It's not as simple as comparing them in the old days when they all had 3 speed transmissions with a 1:1 final drive ratio. In actual use there isn't much difference in real pulling power between any of the current truck offerings.
B.O.
2011 Big Country 3250TS...2010 Ram CC Laramie 4wd Cummins
15k Super Glide, Firestone Ride Rite, TrailAir Tri-Glide
Michelin XPS Ribs. Just say no to Chinese tires.
Twin Cities Mn.
I figured I'd buy a new truck when I was about to retire......lately I have been rethinking that and will most likely keep the one I got. It's been good to me and has low mileage for a nine year old diesel. Chevy(GMC) and Ford are both sharp looking though.
2003 Dodge 2500 RAM 4X4 Quadcab Cummins High Output
Banks Six-Gun/Speedloader/Pyro,Trans Temp,and Boost gauges. Mag-hytec covers.
2011 Cedar Creek Silverback 29RE 5th Wheel (31LBHBS-SOLD)
SoCalDesertRider wrote: One thing about Dodge, in order to retain the payload capacity you have with your '08 F350, you must get the Dodge dually. The Dodge 3500 with single rear wheels has far less payload capacity, a much lower GVWR and much lower RGAWR than the '05-up F350's with single rear wheels.
Dodge 3500SRW
GVWR 10,100
RGAWR 6200
Dodge 3500DRW
GVWR 12,xxx
RGAWR 9350
Ford F350SRW
GVWR 11,500
RGAWR 7050
/thread
Ram should spend it's resources on what matters; payload instead of dash layout. Informed buyers are sticking with Ford adn GM because of it.
And why are they the only ones with a 4.10-diesel? GM and Ford can move more weight with less gear; why can't they?
Not sure why on the axle ratio. Supposedly, they all have the same torque, but the Cummins has 50 less horsepower, so that might be it.
For what it's worth, Ford does offer the 4.10 ratio on the F350DRW diesel cab/chassis trucks, just not on the pickups, which only get 3.73.
dreeder wrote: I can't disagree with you about the payload capacity vs. GM and Ford but you can get the 6.7 geared at 3.42, 3.73 or 4.10. All of those will move load's quite well with the 6.7. I think they did a good job with gear ratio's. I just can't help but think that Dodge is a little to conservative when rating the capabilities of these trucks, or maybe GM and Ford are a little to liberal when rating there's.
I agree that more axle ratio choices for the customer are a good thing. Not everyone tows the maximum weight, and not everyone uses their truck as an empty commuter car either. Being able to tailor the axle ratio to your intended use, instead of having accept whatever one ratio they decide to shove down your throat, is always a good thing.
I know Dodge could easily up-rate their 2500 and 3500SRW trucks just by spec'ing them with higher rated wheels, tires and rear springs. Why they don't, I have no idea.
SoCalDesertRider wrote: One thing about Dodge, in order to retain the payload capacity you have with your '08 F350, you must get the Dodge dually. The Dodge 3500 with single rear wheels has far less payload capacity, a much lower GVWR and much lower RGAWR than the '05-up F350's with single rear wheels.
Dodge 3500SRW
GVWR 10,100
RGAWR 6200
Dodge 3500DRW
GVWR 12,xxx
RGAWR 9350
Ford F350SRW
GVWR 11,500
RGAWR 7050
/thread
Ram should spend it's resources on what matters; payload instead of dash layout. Informed buyers are sticking with Ford adn GM because of it.
And why are they the only ones with a 4.10-diesel? GM and Ford can move more weight with less gear; why can't they?
Final drive ratios are tied to what ratios the transmission has in overdrive or overdrives. The end result will be about the same from one truck to another no matter what number is in the axle. My Ram has 3:73 gears and turns about 1800 rpm at 60mph. A Ford or GM probably turns about the same at the same speed even though they might have a totally different rear axle ratio. The gear ratios in the transmissions are way different. It's not as simple as comparing them in the old days when they all had 3 speed transmissions with a 1:1 final drive ratio. In actual use there isn't much difference in real pulling power between any of the current truck offerings.
B.O.
The new 6 speed autos with 2 overdrive gears actually have pretty similar overdrive ratios. The ratio differences are more in the 1st and 2nd gearing and in the gear just below 1:1, than in the overdrive gearing.
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