Go back and read my post. Pay attention to the words...
Here is part of it...
"WHILE BEING EXTREMELY WARY, try flipping on a stove burner on low flame and keep your bedroom window open a crack."
Try to imagine if you will, the difference between having one stove burner set on low and cracking a bedroom window open when sleeping. Now compare that tho the stove manufacturer's nightmare of having someone cranking up all topside burners on high, and then even lighting off the oven in very cold weather, then not opening any windows especially one in the bedroom where a person intends to sleep. Just a slight difference. We are ASSuming that an RV owner, especially forum participants will not operate any burner that has a lot of yellow flame, you know the one that will contain more CO.
FOR CRYING OUT CHRIST'S SAKE! They have been selling VENTLESS blue flame propane heaters for years and I am talking about 80,000 BTU monsters that would turn a freezing motorhome into a pizza oven in 5 minutes flat. Sure they are illegal in some states for exactly the same reasons as expressed by some of the participant's on this thread. What should I do, run around and tell the hundred thousand homeowners who have been using these stoves for forty years to yank them out because they will surely die?
You can't buy PENNYROYAL OIL anymore in California because a few people have ingested it trying to cause an abortion. Now I am without one of the finest insect repellents, for no-see-ums known.
Oh yeah, it's illegal to shoot ducks from a moving streetcar in Miami.
C'mon people, start using your freakin' head. An intelligent response to my posting would have been an amplification of safety tips, like, low-burner only, or open the bedroom window at least an inch or two. NOT, responses like I am trying to gas a poor unsuspecting RV'er.
You are seeing my cranky side. Sorry but I haven't gotten old in my profession by being either stupid or careless.
I've lived for YEARS, that's multiple, in a 10 foot camper with a wall mounted LPG sock lantern for heat. I apologize however for defying Darwin.
mexbungalows wrote: I've lived for YEARS, that's multiple, in a 10 foot camper with a wall mounted LPG sock lantern for heat.
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Mex
I wish, I could find some of those LPG type lights/lanterns, a thing of the past now.
I had a setup that used a "tee" off the 5 gal bottle to run the light and a 4 burner stove with warming oven underneath, all at the same time, a real nice home built camp setup.
It disappeared when the kids "helped" me clean up the garage several years ago. Thanks for the memories. Back to the OP.
Don
2010 F-350,6.4PSD, 6spd man trans,CC,SWB,SRW, Caravan camper shell,50 gal bed tank,17,000lb Husky WD hitch,Northwoods 2008 28KS Desert Fox Toy Hauler,2005 Honda 500 Rubicon ATV w/rumble seat,1 Aussie waiting,watching and ridin shotgun on the whole outfit.
hershey wrote: ...Seriously: what kind of gibberish is that?...
Thats why they make CO2 detectors to protect stupid people from themselves.
To use a cook stove to cook on is exactly what it was designed to to. Still a good idea to have a CO2 detector but obviously your awake when your cooking something. Well maybe not you but most other people.
Sorry, but if you're going to rip on someone's "gibberish," I think it's a good idea to have, at least that, one post free of error.
Thus...
Though it wouldn't hurt to have one of those also, I would much prefer a CO detector to a "CO2" detector in my RV.
Just sayin'
Cheers,
Kendall
1986 Winnebago Chieftain 22RC
Our Camper (with no payments)
mexbungalows wrote: Go back and read my post. Pay attention to the words...
Here is part of it...
"WHILE BEING EXTREMELY WARY, try flipping on a stove burner on low flame and keep your bedroom window open a crack."
Try to imagine if you will, the difference between having one stove burner set on low and cracking a bedroom window open when sleeping. Now compare that tho the stove manufacturer's nightmare of having someone cranking up all topside burners on high, and then even lighting off the oven in very cold weather, then not opening any windows especially one in the bedroom where a person intends to sleep. Just a slight difference. We are ASSuming that an RV owner, especially forum participants will not operate any burner that has a lot of yellow flame, you know the one that will contain more CO.
FOR CRYING OUT CHRIST'S SAKE! They have been selling VENTLESS blue flame propane heaters for years and I am talking about 80,000 BTU monsters that would turn a freezing motorhome into a pizza oven in 5 minutes flat. Sure they are illegal in some states for exactly the same reasons as expressed by some of the participant's on this thread. What should I do, run around and tell the hundred thousand homeowners who have been using these stoves for forty years to yank them out because they will surely die?
You can't buy PENNYROYAL OIL anymore in California because a few people have ingested it trying to cause an abortion. Now I am without one of the finest insect repellents, for no-see-ums known.
Oh yeah, it's illegal to shoot ducks from a moving streetcar in Miami.
C'mon people, start using your freakin' head. An intelligent response to my posting would have been an amplification of safety tips, like, low-burner only, or open the bedroom window at least an inch or two. NOT, responses like I am trying to gas a poor unsuspecting RV'er.
You are seeing my cranky side. Sorry but I haven't gotten old in my profession by being either stupid or careless.
I've lived for YEARS, that's multiple, in a 10 foot camper with a wall mounted LPG sock lantern for heat. I apologize however for defying Darwin.
Oh my God this is an awesome post!!!
I think I peed a little. Freakin' hilarious!
I must say, I agree.
I hope you weren't referring to me, Mex. All I said was that it's a good idea to have some safety backup. Maybe the cat might get up and close the window while you're in your deepest slumber. You never know. It's at least possible on a quantum scale in one of the multiverses.
But I digress...
FWIW, I had one of those ventless heaters in my first house. It was great! Basically 99% efficient. I lived there for about 6 years. As far as I know, I'm still here. But maybe I'm living out some comatose dream and you're all in it!
I also know that I have had my CO detector right next to my range with all 4 burners going at once, yet not a peep.
But if I leave it in the garage. As soon as the wife fires up the 4Runner... "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!"
And no. That wasn't her horn.
I really like these new... ish... detectors with the digital readout. I think they can help you gauge what effects your range burners can have. And I do agree with Mex that I think you'll find that it isn't much.
I remember rounding a sharp curve near Calistoga California and seeing a red Volkswagen beetle on its top, spinning round and round and round on the white line (remember when 2-lane road centerlines were white not yellow?)
This ocurred the very same week as the release of Ralph Nader's book "Unsafe At Any Speed". In all the hoopla, all the court battles, class action lawsuits, and media frenzy, not one single word mentioned the Beetle, Kharman Ghia, or Porsche.
A simple large FRONT stabilizer bar could have eliminated most of the oversteer of the Corvair, but Oh No! That would have been dis-regulatory uncommon sense!
Ever see the poster of the NTSA, and EPA certified rodeo horse? I wish someone here could find it and import it into this thread. It is priceless!
Interior LPG lamps for RV's disappeared for exactly the same reason.
My temper is subdued and I have just taken my cardiac medicine. People you should have seen what I put my engineers through. What I do on this forum is nothing. I once suggested to the head of the Battery Council International which by then was ONLY concerned with the recyclability of battery cores and not with accuracy of published manufacturer's data --- that depleted uranium would make a superb adjunct additive to a cyclable battery grid. He almost had a heart attack right over the phone. He started screaming until he heard laughter in the background. I had him on speakerphone and had nine engineers in my office. That bit of whimsy was my form of payback for discovering BCI wasn't doing their job at that time. Published manufacturer's claimed specs were so far off of our findings that it was a joke.
Another time I whispered to the chief engineer of Surrette, "I'll pay you ten thousand in cash right now for the composition formula of your battery paste" (they make it themselves). His face got so pale I thought he was going to faint. It took a lot of backpedaling (several hours) before he would even speak to me again.
So, perhaps you will understand, if not forgive, my eccentricities here.
And getting pretty durned sophisticated. I've got teacher in my veins and sarcasm that tries mightily to take the form of humor. Engineering is a discipline. Restraining humor, sarcasm and teaching, beneath a holy grail of discipline has been the challenge of my life.
Keep the graphs and comments coming. Believe me I not only read them, I study many, sometimes repeatedly and at length.
My time, the end of it occurred many years before the advent of the internet. I fear had this forum existed before my leukemia hit it would have thoroughly disrupted my work ethic. At the time, NIST equipment, a seven and a half digit milliohmeter, Transpo test gear, Tektronix and and Intersil, National Instruments and Controls were my world. I did wear gauze masks and nitrile gloves in battery assembly areas and greening chambers before such protection was fashionable.
God, threw the light switch BFL13, I merely said "Well, It Meets Design Specification"
I hope you weren't referring to me, Mex. All I said was that it's a good idea to have some safety backup. Maybe the cat might get up and close the window while you're in your deepest slumber. You never know. It's at least possible on a quantum scale in one of the multiverses.
Yep, that's why I LOVE cats! They're not our slaves like other pets are. Oops, did I say that out loud?
mexbungalows wrote:
So, perhaps you will understand, if not forgive, my eccentricities here.
I definitely don't mind a good rant. Especially when I learn from it.
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