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Just curious as to weather any of you fellas know who made/makes Gulf stream frames? In particular we have a 2004 27' conquest. Its an 8" Ibeam frame with angle iron cross bracing. It looks sound in my opinion, hopefully she is as i am about to weld on my custom reciever hitch i built to pull our 3500lb boat. I realize weight reduction is attractive for RV manfacturers, but being a welder i know the importance of not skimping on dynamically loaded structures. In my opinion the IBEAM on these trailers should be a minimum of a 1/4" web, and a minimum of 1/4" angle iron cross bracing. So what if she weights an extra 3 to 500lbs in the grand scheme of things. These cracking lippert frames are a great example of a material reaching its max fatigue life due to it being over stressed, OR they use a seriously low grade of carbon steel with alot of carbon hot spots. lol my hitch i am installing will only strength the entire camper frame which is sad really.


Your frame was made by Venture. I thinkg Venture was bought up by Lippert too. Newer Gulf Streams have Lippert frames.



should i be concenered with this frame?


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You made my point exactly by mentioning Alpenlite. I owned a 2001 Alpenlite 32RL 5Ver. Very well built. Excellent RV. Very few problems. I would buy another one any day. BTW, since Alpenlite built such a great RV why aren't they in business today? Too much quality in this throw away world. Everyone is looking for the cheapest deal they can get. It was difficult for them to make a profit. They cheapened up their product to make a profit, had some major problems, and Alpenlite is no more.



Maybe the alpenlite brand was sold and the new owners switched to Lippert frames and raised the prices and the bank shut them down because of not Paying their bills. I was at the factory just before it was closed. Looked like they had business but not geared for a smart build from what I saw. Two many different rv models being built at the same time. MH, camper and fifthwheels on the same assembly line is not smart.
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OK I am stupid but where would one look to see who manufactured a frame?? I have a Montana.

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OK I am stupid but where would one look to see who manufactured a frame?? I have a Montana.


The builder plate is on the the permanent part of the pin box on my Komfort. Zieman frame.

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I believe Montana frames are made by Lippert. Have seen several owners report frame problems on here. I suggest you contact the factory to confirm frame supplier.


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Id have to say from a high pressure welder stand point my parents 2005 triplEE topaz is by far the most stout frame ive seen, overall quality is outstanding.

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Timothy wrote:

pressure_welder wrote:

Just curious as to weather any of you fellas know who made/makes Gulf stream frames? In particular we have a 2004 27' conquest. Its an 8" Ibeam frame with angle iron cross bracing. It looks sound in my opinion, hopefully she is as i am about to weld on my custom reciever hitch i built to pull our 3500lb boat. I realize weight reduction is attractive for RV manfacturers, but being a welder i know the importance of not skimping on dynamically loaded structures. In my opinion the IBEAM on these trailers should be a minimum of a 1/4" web, and a minimum of 1/4" angle iron cross bracing. So what if she weights an extra 3 to 500lbs in the grand scheme of things. These cracking lippert frames are a great example of a material reaching its max fatigue life due to it being over stressed, OR they use a seriously low grade of carbon steel with alot of carbon hot spots. lol my hitch i am installing will only strength the entire camper frame which is sad really.


Your frame was made by Venture. I thinkg Venture was bought up by Lippert too. Newer Gulf Streams have Lippert frames.



should i be concenered with this frame?


I would say no, I never heard of any problems with Venture.


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Zieman is Lippert as well.


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I went and took a closer look at the campers in the shop, My gulf stream conquest, and my parents triplee topaz had "lippert" stickers on the pin box. Although mine also had a "fabex" 15,000lbs sticker on it also. It really is disgusting how stupidly light these frames are built. I beleive ill be doing some reiforcing of my own after i finish installing the reciever for the boat. Id love to lift the whole camper off the frame, ditch the stupid 8" ibeam and replace it with 2" x 6" x 1/4" wall structural tubing. I sure hope this frame dosent disintigrate on me!
If I were wanting a big fifth wheel RV trailer, I would be looking at commercial gooseneck enclosed cargo trailers, which have much heavier built frames, with real structural i-beams, not the ultra thin fabricated i-beams the RV industry uses, and build out the inside of it into an RV....

Another way to go would be to buy a used commercial semi trailer, a super insulated 'reefer' model, which already has an awesome air conditioner mounted on the front of it, and build that into an RV...

Either way, at least you know the thing isn't going to fall apart!


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I went and took a closer look at the campers in the shop, My gulf stream conquest, and my parents triplee topaz had "lippert" stickers on the pin box. Although mine also had a "fabex" 15,000lbs sticker on it also. It really is disgusting how stupidly light these frames are built. I beleive ill be doing some reiforcing of my own after i finish installing the reciever for the boat. Id love to lift the whole camper off the frame, ditch the stupid 8" ibeam and replace it with 2" x 6" x 1/4" wall structural tubing. I sure hope this frame dosent disintigrate on me!

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