agesilaus
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If they really put Helium in a tire it would leak out in a matter of days.
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Old-Biscuit
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Luke Porter wrote:They both used a wood primeter with studs only on the sides of slides and doors. Not a stud evey 16". So the wall was basicly styrofoam. HitchHiker used the blue structural foam. Teton used the cheap white bead foam.
Teton switched to it many years ago and never went back. HichHiker tried it before Teton. I don't know if they still do that today?
That 'foam' is the type of block insulation they use....between the studs.
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Luke Porter
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Old-Biscuit wrote:Luke Porter wrote:They both used a wood primeter with studs only on the sides of slides and doors. Not a stud evey 16". So the wall was basicly styrofoam. HitchHiker used the blue structural foam. Teton used the cheap white bead foam.
Teton switched to it many years ago and never went back. HichHiker tried it before Teton. I don't know if they still do that today?
That 'foam' is the type of block insulation they use....between the studs.
Yes--I know. I mentioned HH uses the blue structural foam. But there are only like 4-6 studs in a wall. Foam is lighter than wood.
Yep, actually drove to all of these places---in the last eight years. Missed Rhode Island and New Jersey.
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There is incorrect information in these posts. There is only one type of Styrofoam, a brand name, not styrofoam. Styrofoam is a specific brand of extruded polystyrene produced by the Dow Chemical Company. It is no a generic term for any type of foam insulation.
The white foam used by most RV manufacturers is expanded polystyrene. It is not the same material and is not styrofoam (named incorrectly).
But if you look at the Hitchhiker construction videos they don't even properly describe the product they are using. In the video he says that the 1 1/2" of "Dow Structural foam" that they use is R-9. The usual R-value for extruded polystyrene is R-5 per inch. And this is the same regardless of the manufacturer.
Dow Chemical's Styrofoam brand is rated R-5 per inch. So 1 1/2" is R-7.5. Yet Hitchhiker claims that it is R-9. They don't even have the correct rating on the material they use. But I guess marking hype does not need to be accurate,
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Old-Biscuit
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Luke Porter wrote:Old-Biscuit wrote:Luke Porter wrote:They both used a wood primeter with studs only on the sides of slides and doors. Not a stud evey 16". So the wall was basicly styrofoam. HitchHiker used the blue structural foam. Teton used the cheap white bead foam.
Teton switched to it many years ago and never went back. HichHiker tried it before Teton. I don't know if they still do that today?
That 'foam' is the type of block insulation they use....between the studs.
Yes--I know. I mentioned HH uses the blue structural foam. But there are only like 4-6 studs in a wall. Foam is lighter than wood.
More misinformation concerning the studs used.
Might want to take a tour at factory OR at least go to NUWA website and watch one of the videos.
Trailer studs are not on 16" or 24" centers like a S&B. They are located dependent on window, door, slide locations.
My side walls have roughly 13-14 aluminum studs per side along with cross & diagonal bracing. Structural strength is not just from studs in any type of construction.
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Luke Porter
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Old-Biscuit wrote:Luke Porter wrote:Old-Biscuit wrote:Luke Porter wrote:They both used a wood primeter with studs only on the sides of slides and doors. Not a stud evey 16". So the wall was basicly styrofoam. HitchHiker used the blue structural foam. Teton used the cheap white bead foam.
Teton switched to it many years ago and never went back. HichHiker tried it before Teton. I don't know if they still do that today?
That 'foam' is the type of block insulation they use....between the studs.
Yes--I know. I mentioned HH uses the blue structural foam. But there are only like 4-6 studs in a wall. Foam is lighter than wood.
More misinformation concerning the studs used.
Might want to take a tour at factory OR at least go to NUWA website and watch one of the videos.
Trailer studs are not on 16" or 24" centers like a S&B. They are located dependent on window, door, slide locations.
My side walls have roughly 13-14 aluminum studs per side along with cross & diagonal bracing. Structural strength is not just from studs in any type of construction.
I don't know if you read what I wrote.
There was a time when HH had only only a few studs in the sidewalls. Do you not know about that?
Before that HH and Snowbird had a stud every 16". Same with my current Newmar--not only a stud every 16", but some angle bracing.
I know it's difficult for you to understand this.
I've done the HH/Snowbird tour many times.
And the Teton tour 3 times I think.
AS well as Travel Supreme, Carriage, Newmar, Moble Suites, Monaco tours each several times.
And Peterson Industries once.
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dubdub07
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I have one, a Montana HC with Helium Technology. They are hardly ultra-lights as mine weighs 10,000 dry from the factory and almost 13k camp ready. The technology takes away the plywood and formaldehyde used in the manufacturing of the heavier ones. It also utilizes a lighter form of slide technology. I don't know if it is better or not, I do know I have a lot of FW with a lot less weight vs the same Montana not using the Helium Technology; about 2500-2800 lbs lighter. It also has the gray high gloss fiberglass which seems to be a lot easier to clean vs my old white one.....
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Suzanne and Brad
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dubdub07 wrote:I have one, a Montana HC with Helium Technology. They are hardly ultra-lights as mine weighs 10,000 dry from the factory and almost 13k camp ready. The technology takes away the plywood and formaldehyde used in the manufacturing of the heavier ones. It also utilizes a lighter form of slide technology. I don't know if it is better or not, I do know I have a lot of FW with a lot less weight vs the same Montana not using the Helium Technology; about 2500-2800 lbs lighter. It also has the gray high gloss fiberglass which seems to be a lot easier to clean vs my old white one.....
We have one as well and weight slightly under 10k, dry. Pull with an F-250 w/o any trouble and safely under all weight data. Would be nice if was full of helium - would float from place to place and save on lots of gas - but, alas, it's just a marketing term..... 
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In software, the developers call an error a "bug." When the "bug" is seen by the marketing and sales department, it becomes a "feature." In RV manufacturing, when production scrimps and uses the flimsiest and cheapest materials to cut costs, the marketing and sales department calls it "Helium Technology" and raises the price.
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RetiredGuy wrote:In software, the developers call an error a "bug." When the "bug" is seen by the marketing and sales department, it becomes a "feature." In RV manufacturing, when production scrimps and uses the flimsiest and cheapest materials to cut costs, the marketing and sales department calls it "Helium Technology" and raises the price.
You just cannot resist the need to derate someone else's property. Can ya?
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