Not that much, I think you will work hard to get 20% off MSRP. I don't have the MSRP for the 2007 but remember seeing in the past MSRPs with dealer options close to 150,000.00 and now they run about 134-135,000. Have no idea about the Triple E line(Unity). Probably need to look at later pricing data but only meaningful data will be when you start negotiating!
applegater wrote: Have no idea about the Triple E line(Unity).
Please excuse that I don't actually have a Sprinter. But, just to clarify, the Unity is LTV, while Triple E makes the Regency line. Both the Unity and Regency have more head room since they use the same "box" in the back.
As to how much you get off the MSRP, think in terms of B Class discounts - ie around 15%. One thing that I noticed is that the manufacturer shows one MSRP while the dealer appears to set a different MSRP if they wish. Thus you need to look at the numbers closely.
There is a supply/demand situation too as these units are not easy to find.
We have an '09 Fleetwood Pulse. They are no longer made, but Fleetwood repackaged them with a few differences and renamed them.
We've had a Trail Lite hybrid trailer (worst quality of the bunch), an Outback trailer and a Cougar (Keystone) Fifth Wheel. This Fleetwood motor home is the best of all as far as fit and finish. We've also had absolutely no problems and it drives great. Floor plan is perfect for our needs. We like having the long slide. We get 16 to 17 mpg.
My only complaint might be the jacknife sofa, which is uneven when opened into a bed. The back half is lower than the front. Drives me nuts. Will be looking at a fix, but then that is more of a complaint against the furniture maker.
I can't tell you how glad I am that we bought it. One thing to be aware of: Most of the Pulse/Icons seem to have Kumho tires that have given lots of problems. We may be looking at replacing them, but so far no signs of trouble at all.
Thanks for the additional posts -- keep 'em coming!
WRT the discount on the LTV Unity, I'm afraid that as stated above, it's probably closer to 15%.
For example, there's one listed on the PPL website that was recently sold (9/2011) for about $106K. There's no mention of the MSRP, but most I've seen are about $122K +/-. If that was the case with this one then that's about 13% off MSRP.
I've been hoping against hope that LTV follows the same pricing structure as WGO, PC, and THOR. That might turn that ~$122K into an actual sale price of about $85K. A boy can dream...
Anyway, there are plenty of other good quality Sprinter-based class C RVs.
If you own a Sprinter-based rig, please post your opinion of it. Are you generally happy with it? How do you think it compares with other class C RVs? How do you feel about:
* The galley? Sink large enough? Fridge ok? Counter space adequate?
* The bed(s)? Are they comfortable? Memory foam or inner-spring mattress?
* Bathroom? Shower large/tall enough? Toilet plastic or china? Shower curtain or door?
* Cabinets? Construction -- solid wood, hollow, or vinyl wrapped? Hardware -- do they latch securely?
* Storage space? Is there enough inside? Outside?
* HVAC? Can it keep the coach comfortable in extreme temps? Is it noisy? Vent fans work well?
* Lighting? Adequate? Type -- halogen, fluorescent, or LED?
* Electrical? Did rig come with an inverter? If so, what size? 2 coach batteries or 1? Generator -- type fuel, output?
* Furniture? Is it comfortable? Has it held up ok? Showing any wear?
* Windows? Single or double pane? Blinds -- single or day/night? Construction of windows and blinds? Type -- awning, etc?
The above are just things I thought of off the top of my head. I know some of this can be found at the mfr websites. Feel free to cover as much or as little as you want. Any info you can provide will be helpful.
My only complaint might be the jacknife sofa, which is uneven when opened into a bed. The back half is lower than the front. Drives me nuts. Will be looking at a fix, but then that is more of a complaint against the furniture maker. .
For the record, NO jackknife sofa is comfortable. the closest replacement that is is the Magic sofa bed, bradd and hall.
bumpy
The one item missing that really needs to be examined on a sprinter class C is the CCC. Slides and storage are nice but with 11030 gvw you need to be careful!
OK, I'm a little late to this thread -- been in Central America the past week....
We have an '08 View that was purchased used in 2010. Absolutely no problems with either the chassis or the coach. No unusual squeeks or groans from the coach, with the exception of a noise that sometimes comes from the stove grate when it rubs against the stove top.
Lighting is a combination of flourescent and halogen. Plenty of light for our needs. Nonetheless, will replace with LED when current bulbs go out. Cabinetry is very beautiful, and solid as well. I think they are made of a laminated wood product. Door locks seem to be holding just fine, as nothing has flown out the cabinets during turns. Plenty of counter space in the galley for two, and has a larger than expected sink. Fridge is small, but large enough to easily meet the needs of two persons just fine. It gets very cold.
Bathroom space is very tight, but my 6'3" frame does barely fit. Bathroom sink is rather small, but it does meet our needs.
No problem with ceiling height in the shower, or throughout the entire MH for that matter. There is a small closet in the bathroom that is big enough for our needs, but is not big enough to hold all the regular clothing and the outerwear during the winter (we store the winter jackets in the cabover).
We have a dinette and a sofa, which of course means that we do not have a dedicated bed. That is fine with us, as we have more "daytime" space than other floorplans. We sleep on the sofa, and use a memory foam mattress on top of it. We store the mattress in the cabover. It takes about fifteen seconds to make the bed. We just fold out the sofa, pull the mattress from the cabover that I'm already standing next to and drop it onto the sofa, and unclip the retaining straps whereupon the mattress just rolls open. Throw a couple of pillows on it, and the bed is ready to use. The sofa is comfortable as a sofa, but is not comfortable as a bed. Hence the mattress.
We do not use the cabover bed as a bed, but instead use it for storage. We keep the mattress up there, along with a 32" LCD TV and the occasional telescope or other astronomical gear. We also toss our jackets up there during the winter. With this large area used for storage, we have never lacked for storage space.
HVAC works well, but when the outside temps get above 97-98 degrees, the interior temp will get into the high seventies. Heater works well (electrical and gas), but we normally just use a small Vornado space heater during the winter. This heater is almost silent, so we like it better.
Things we also like about our coach are the large windows on both sides, and the sunroof with internal sunshade. We also added a swivel base to the front passenger seat, which opens up the living area even more. The only thing I don't care for inside the coach is the shag carpeting under the sofa area. We plan on changing that soon. The blinds are a bit funky, but I've seen this type in other brands of MH's as well. They have so far held up well, but I have read where others have seen the strings break. The blinds have two levels of thickness.
As for the chassis -- well, it's a Sprinter, so we have an expansive cab area with larger windows and much larger flat floorspace than the other chassis. Ride and handling is better than small Ford MH's, and there is less cabin noise as well. Overall, a much better place to spend a lot of driving time, especially if you are tall, or if your co-pilot has both feet. Drive a number of Fords, then test a Sprinter. You will immediately see these differences for yourself. IT only took about five minutes of driving a Sprinter to make us decide that we would not be buying any of the Fords that we drove.
The nice thing about the Sprinter is that normal maintenance things such as changing the oil and filter and fuel filter is very easy to do. Changing the oil is the easiest of any vehicle I've ever seen. The oil needed is more expensive, but you only have to change the oil every 10k miles.
The only thing that we changed on the chassis was the addition of a thicker rear swaybar. The View is known for having quite a bit of side-to-side sway during low-speed 90-degree turns when there is a change in roadbed height, such as when you turn into or out of a gas station or parking lot. The simple additon of a thicker swaybar, which you can do yourself, will greatly improve the sway without negatively affecting the ride or the handling. Others have changed the shocks, and others have added Timbrens or airbags. Not every owner does these things though, so you may well not feel the need to do any of this. Oddly enough, the View does not exhibit excessive sway at speed, and in fact is quite stable in reasonable crosswinds.
Lastly, we get anywhere from 13.5 to 15 mpg, depending on the type of roads we are traveling. We would get more, but I do not drive slowly. Of course the extra price we paid for our View as compared to a Ford or Chevy will not be made up in fuel savings, but the fact that we do get such good mileage is just icing on the cake. We have not had any issues with either the chassis or the coach, and when we feel like it, we just jump in it and go, and we don't ever worry about the cost of traveling....
applegater wrote: The one item missing that really needs to be examined on a sprinter class C is the CCC. Slides and storage are nice but with 11030 gvw you need to be careful!
Very true.
Our View suits the two of us just fine, but I wouldn't recommend one for a larger family, and I know I would not want to full-time in one (not that it couldn't be done...).
applegater wrote: The one item missing that really needs to be examined on a sprinter class C is the CCC. Slides and storage are nice but with 11030 gvw you need to be careful!
Very good point -- I should have included that in my list (above).
There can be a very large spread in CCC. Some rigs I've looked at on a Sprinter chassis have as much as 2,000 lbs CCC, others have less than 1,000 lbs -- about the same as a compact car!
PhilR. wrote: OK, I'm a little late to this thread -- been in Central America the past week....
We have an '08 View that was purchased used in 2010. Absolutely no problems with either the chassis or the coach. No unusual squeeks or groans from the coach, with the exception of a noise that sometimes comes from the stove grate when it rubs against the stove top.
Lighting is a combination of flourescent and halogen. Plenty of light for our needs. Nonetheless, will replace with LED when current bulbs go out. Cabinetry is very beautiful, and solid as well. I think they are made of a laminated wood product. Door locks seem to be holding just fine, as nothing has flown out the cabinets during turns. Plenty of counter space in the galley for two, and has a larger than expected sink. Fridge is small, but large enough to easily meet the needs of two persons just fine. It gets very cold.
Bathroom space is very tight, but my 6'3" frame does barely fit. Bathroom sink is rather small, but it does meet our needs.
No problem with ceiling height in the shower, or throughout the entire MH for that matter. There is a small closet in the bathroom that is big enough for our needs, but is not big enough to hold all the regular clothing and the outerwear during the winter (we store the winter jackets in the cabover).
We have a dinette and a sofa, which of course means that we do not have a dedicated bed. That is fine with us, as we have more "daytime" space than other floorplans. We sleep on the sofa, and use a memory foam mattress on top of it. We store the mattress in the cabover. It takes about fifteen seconds to make the bed. We just fold out the sofa, pull the mattress from the cabover that I'm already standing next to and drop it onto the sofa, and unclip the retaining straps whereupon the mattress just rolls open. Throw a couple of pillows on it, and the bed is ready to use. The sofa is comfortable as a sofa, but is not comfortable as a bed. Hence the mattress.
We do not use the cabover bed as a bed, but instead use it for storage. We keep the mattress up there, along with a 32" LCD TV and the occasional telescope or other astronomical gear. We also toss our jackets up there during the winter. With this large area used for storage, we have never lacked for storage space.
HVAC works well, but when the outside temps get above 97-98 degrees, the interior temp will get into the high seventies. Heater works well (electrical and gas), but we normally just use a small Vornado space heater during the winter. This heater is almost silent, so we like it better.
Things we also like about our coach are the large windows on both sides, and the sunroof with internal sunshade. We also added a swivel base to the front passenger seat, which opens up the living area even more. The only thing I don't care for inside the coach is the shag carpeting under the sofa area. We plan on changing that soon. The blinds are a bit funky, but I've seen this type in other brands of MH's as well. They have so far held up well, but I have read where others have seen the strings break. The blinds have two levels of thickness.
As for the chassis -- well, it's a Sprinter, so we have an expansive cab area with larger windows and much larger flat floorspace than the other chassis. Ride and handling is better than small Ford MH's, and there is less cabin noise as well. Overall, a much better place to spend a lot of driving time, especially if you are tall, or if your co-pilot has both feet. Drive a number of Fords, then test a Sprinter. You will immediately see these differences for yourself. IT only took about five minutes of driving a Sprinter to make us decide that we would not be buying any of the Fords that we drove.
The nice thing about the Sprinter is that normal maintenance things such as changing the oil and filter and fuel filter is very easy to do. Changing the oil is the easiest of any vehicle I've ever seen. The oil needed is more expensive, but you only have to change the oil every 10k miles.
The only thing that we changed on the chassis was the addition of a thicker rear swaybar. The View is known for having quite a bit of side-to-side sway during low-speed 90-degree turns when there is a change in roadbed height, such as when you turn into or out of a gas station or parking lot. The simple additon of a thicker swaybar, which you can do yourself, will greatly improve the sway without negatively affecting the ride or the handling. Others have changed the shocks, and others have added Timbrens or airbags. Not every owner does these things though, so you may well not feel the need to do any of this. Oddly enough, the View does not exhibit excessive sway at speed, and in fact is quite stable in reasonable crosswinds.
Lastly, we get anywhere from 13.5 to 15 mpg, depending on the type of roads we are traveling. We would get more, but I do not drive slowly. Of course the extra price we paid for our View as compared to a Ford or Chevy will not be made up in fuel savings, but the fact that we do get such good mileage is just icing on the cake. We have not had any issues with either the chassis or the coach, and when we feel like it, we just jump in it and go, and we don't ever worry about the cost of traveling....
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"Overall, a much better place to spend a lot of driving time, especially if you are tall, or if your co-pilot has both feet."
Very funny! ;-)
I just checked and she says she has grown quite attached to her feet so I guess we have no choice but to get a RV on a Sprinter chassis.
Well, this has got to be one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. If there were forum post awards I'd definitely nominate you Phil!
You covered just about everything -- even anticipating questions, like where you store your memory foam mattress. About the mattress -- it sounds as though you have sheets, etc, that stay attached to it, is that right?
The cabinets in the View/Navion through 2010 are very nice. WGO changed them in 2011. Your cabinets should have the 'push-to-lock' knobs on them. I wish more mfrs would use them. LTV still does, but I'm not aware of any others offhand.
Good info on the HVAC. Would it be accurate to say that the A/C can maintain about a 20 degree temp difference, inside to outside?
I know many people aren't crazy about just about any carpeting in an RV, myself included. I would remove it also.
From reading the the View/Navion group I know the suspension mods are popular, especially on the older Sprinter with the I5 engine. Most people seem to think the suspension on the newer Sprinter is greatly improved, but apparently there's room for more. So no degradation in the ride with the thicker anti-sway bar? That's good. At some point (well beyond what most people would install) a sway bar can become so rigid that it essentially eliminates any 'independent' movement of the tires (of course a solid rear axle isn't independent but there is some independent motion). I'll probably do the same with whatever rig we get. The less body roll the better as long as the ride quality can be maintained.
Thank you very much for your very helpful, informative post.
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