"3 tons, you need to look up the definition of opinions and facts; they are two very different things".
Hi Brad, I'm sure that you might agree that opinions and facts are often in the eye of the beholder (as is honesty)...So perhaps you might also weigh-in with a companion list on the positives of a dually, this strictly with regards to hauling heavy-weight and high COG TC's. In this way, the novice in the audience might be better equipped to make an objective, honest judgement at his/her next truck aquisition.
3 tons wrote: "3 tons, you need to look up the definition of opinions and facts; they are two very different things".
Hi Brad, I'm sure that you might agree that opinions and facts are often in the eye of the beholder (as is honesty)...So perhaps you might also weigh-in with a companion list on the positives of a dually, this strictly with regards to hauling heavy-weight and high COG TC's. In this way, the novice in the audience might be better equipped to make an objective, honest judgement at his/her next truck aquisition.
Thanks,
3 tons
Well, he wouldn't want to do that, everyone knows a dually is totally pointless, sucky, ugly, and generally worthless.
1) Initial cost - drw truck is more expensive than an srw A SRW truck is more expensive then a Sedan. What's the point? There are more parts. More stuff costs more.
2) Fuel mileage - drw trucks get less mpg than srw trucks Not in my experience. My f350 SRW with the 7.3 for the same mileage as my current f350 DRW with the same mods.
3) Beaches - drw trucks are not allowed on some beaches Ok, give you that one, but I would venture to guess that there are more truck owners that will never have the occasion to drive on a beach than there are owners that will. Here, no one can drive on the beach. I have yet to run into a beach that allows driving that didn't allow DRW. Why wouldn't they be allowed?
4) Home - drw trucks cannot be parked overnight in some neighborhoods Wut? Never in all my years heard that. But then again, I don't live in New York. Sometimes where you live screws you over.
5) Garage - drw trucks will not fit through some garage doors A woman buys a kitchen, a man buys a garage. Buy what you need. You don't buy a house with 1 bedroom if you need 3. Unless the garage is super old, a dually will fit in a standard garage.
6) Air - more tires to air up / air down Yep. How often do you air up and down? How much extra time is that? Maybe 3 extra minutes?
7) Lights - more light bulbs to burn out Really? That makes the negative list? I guess no one should buy a truck with cab lights or fog lights. Heck, don't get a camper, there are more light bulbs.
8) Rocks - rocks may get stuck between the tires Ok, but how often? I have had one in 128,000 miles.
9) Jack clearance - drw trucks require swing-out jack brackets And you need a spacer under the camper to clear the cabs on newer trucks. I guess no one should buy a new truck either.
10) Ride - drw trucks ride rougher than srw trucks Not in my experience. Springs and shocks are the same.
11) Fenders - drw rear fenders can easily be damaged by rocks Where are these rocks coming from? 128k on mine and no magic rock has ever jumped out from the front tire, curved around the running boards and smashed my fender. Must be the kids. Dang kids.
12) Snow - snow can build up between rear tires Might be right there, although I would question how much snow gets stuck between tires in Alabama. But then again, start driving and the snow gets slung out. It's not like it gets packed in there and sticks.
13) Replacement cost - more tires to replace Yes, given.
14) Rotation - difficult to nearly impossible to properly rotate tires Drop it off at the shop, like magic they are rotated. It's not impossible. I do my own, but I have the machine.
15) PSI - much more difficult to check the tire pressure on a drw
16) Flats - more difficult to change a rear flat on a drw truck Same number of lugs. You have to lift one extra tire off. Not all that much more difficult. If someone calls that really difficult, then they should call road service.
17) Flats - more difficult to know when you have a rear flat on a drw Yes for sure. One of my gripes. Had to get a TPMS. But also, when one goes flat, you can still drive it off the highway to get to a safe place to change it.
18) Vision - can't see my bassboat when towing
19) Vibration - more difficult to keep 6 tires round and balanced How? Balance them and they are done. It's not like there is anything you have to do between balance sessions to make sure a DRW is balanced that you don't have to do on a SRW.
20) Self-esteem - duallys are ugly Personal opinion.
21) Width - drw trucks can't fit through my local ATM drive through I have been through ATM's with mine in a dozen states. The wife even goes through them. But I can see a point there. I find it silly to buy an inferior truck just to make it fit through a ATM though.
22) Walmart - drw trucks can't park within a half mile of the entrance That's a positive. No cart dings, no door dings. Only sucks when raining.
23) Offroad - offroad use limited Any full size truck has off road limitations. They aren't off road vehicles, not wheelin machines, they are trucks for hauling stuff.
NorthernLimits wrote: 1) Initial cost - drw truck is more expensive than an srw A SRW truck is more expensive then a Sedan. What's the point? There are more parts. More stuff costs more.
The point was that it costs more.
2) Fuel mileage - drw trucks get less mpg than srw trucks Not in my experience. My f350 SRW with the 7.3 for the same mileage as my current f350 DRW with the same mods.
3) Beaches - drw trucks are not allowed on some beaches Ok, give you that one, but I would venture to guess that there are more truck owners that will never have the occasion to drive on a beach than there are owners that will. Here, no one can drive on the beach. I have yet to run into a beach that allows driving that didn't allow DRW. Why wouldn't they be allowed?
anecdotal: Whether you've run into one doesn't change the fact for others.
4) Home - drw trucks cannot be parked overnight in some neighborhoods Wut? Never in all my years heard that. But then again, I don't live in New York. Sometimes where you live screws you over.
Same as #3.
5) Garage - drw trucks will not fit through some garage doors A woman buys a kitchen, a man buys a garage. Buy what you need. You don't buy a house with 1 bedroom if you need 3. Unless the garage is super old, a dually will fit in a standard garage.
Doesn't change the fact. Changing houses to accommodate is a downside.
6) Air - more tires to air up / air down Yep. How often do you air up and down? How much extra time is that? Maybe 3 extra minutes?
3 minutes is more than 0.
7) Lights - more light bulbs to burn out Really? That makes the negative list? I guess no one should buy a truck with cab lights or fog lights. Heck, don't get a camper, there are more light bulbs.
A dually with a camper has more lights than a SRW with one.
8) Rocks - rocks may get stuck between the tires Ok, but how often? I have had one in 128,000 miles.
One is still more than none or ever having to check for them.
9) Jack clearance - drw trucks require swing-out jack brackets And you need a spacer under the camper to clear the cabs on newer trucks. I guess no one should buy a new truck either.
Brackets add cost.
10) Ride - drw trucks ride rougher than srw trucks Not in my experience. Springs and shocks are the same.
11) Fenders - drw rear fenders can easily be damaged by rocks Where are these rocks coming from? 128k on mine and no magic rock has ever jumped out from the front tire, curved around the running boards and smashed my fender. Must be the kids. Dang kids.
12) Snow - snow can build up between rear tires Might be right there, although I would question how much snow gets stuck between tires in Alabama. But then again, start driving and the snow gets slung out. It's not like it gets packed in there and sticks.
13) Replacement cost - more tires to replace Yes, given.
14) Rotation - difficult to nearly impossible to properly rotate tires Drop it off at the shop, like magic they are rotated. It's not impossible. I do my own, but I have the machine.
With many aftermarket wheels you can't swap from inner to outer because only one side is finished. That is one measure of "difficult."
15) PSI - much more difficult to check the tire pressure on a drw
16) Flats - more difficult to change a rear flat on a drw truck Same number of lugs. You have to lift one extra tire off. Not all that much more difficult. If someone calls that really difficult, then they should call road service.
17) Flats - more difficult to know when you have a rear flat on a drw Yes for sure. One of my gripes. Had to get a TPMS. But also, when one goes flat, you can still drive it off the highway to get to a safe place to change it.
18) Vision - can't see my bassboat when towing
19) Vibration - more difficult to keep 6 tires round and balanced How? Balance them and they are done. It's not like there is anything you have to do between balance sessions to make sure a DRW is balanced that you don't have to do on a SRW.
Simple math here. 6 tires are 1.5x more likely to throw a wheel weight and go out of balance than 4. It also may be harder to tell if it's the inner or outer one that's out.
20) Self-esteem - duallys are ugly Personal opinion.
21) Width - drw trucks can't fit through my local ATM drive through I have been through ATM's with mine in a dozen states. The wife even goes through them. But I can see a point there. I find it silly to buy an inferior truck just to make it fit through a ATM though.
22) Walmart - drw trucks can't park within a half mile of the entrance That's a positive. No cart dings, no door dings. Only sucks when raining.
If it "sucks when raining", how is that a positive?
23) Offroad - offroad use limited Any full size truck has off road limitations. They aren't off road vehicles, not wheelin machines, they are trucks for hauling stuff.
They aren't for offroading but plenty are driven there. A SRW has the advantage.
I for one pointed out that many of the things on the "list" are nitpicks but that doesn't make them non-existent. At least with a list like this anyone can make the same choices about whether that matters to them before automatically buying a dually.
Only been 4 wheelin' once with a dually. This guy from Georgia showed up with a nice lookin' Dodge Cummins DRW long bed (reg cabin - I think). We tried to talk him out of going, but he would have none of it. By the end of the day, he had converted his drw fenders into srw fenders with the assistance of a limestone rock outcropping and a big red oak.
He also busted out a headlight, destroyed the sheetmetal around the headlight, destroyed his grill, busted his radiator and had fluid leaking out of his tranny by the end of the day. All in all, I was impressed that he did complete the same trails we did in that dually; even if it did cost him several thousand dollars in truck repairs to do so. Never underestimate the tenacity of a Georgian.
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