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BarneyS

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That must have been one heck of a bump Russell, to shear two of those bolts! Did it cause any handling problems during the event?

I have been fortunate in that I have never experienced the bump in the 6 years that I have had my Hensley. I have used a Prodigy controller all that time though, so that may be part of the reason. I did try that other controller for a short time but didn't care for the feel of it. I hope you find it is a fault of the truck and not the controller itself.
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BarneyS wrote:

That must have been one heck of a bump Russell, to shear two of those bolts! Did it cause any handling problems during the event?

I have been fortunate in that I have never experienced the bump in the 6 years that I have had my Hensley. I have used a Prodigy controller all that time though, so that may be part of the reason. I did try that other controller for a short time but didn't care for the feel of it. I hope you find it is a fault of the truck and not the controller itself.
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I was less than 1 mile from the park when I had to E-stop.

I did not notice the problem until I was unhitching. Luckily, I carry spare shear bolts.

I only had the "bump" once or twice with the Suburban with BrakeSmart. I towed over 60K miles with that lash-up.

I've already had a half dozen bumps with the new truck in 1500 miles.

I only had shear bolt breakage twice with the Suburban. Both were very sharp left turns in a turn around at the same place in a State Park that we've been to 10 times. I had numerous E-stops with the Suburban. I never had a shear bolt failure in an E-stop until last week with the new truck.


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You guys should tie these two threads together, or at least in my mind...these
highly integrated component systems makes it very hard to diag

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/25996153.cfm


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Techie wrote:

On ours ('11 2500HD) it is instant and we have the gain set to slightly lead the truck...trailer has never bumped us during braking.

I hope they can get mine to work like yours.

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I have a meeting scheduled with a local GMC dealer to check the ITBC.

The tech requested I bring the truck with trailer and he'll check the output and performance with his scanner in real time with the trailer attached.

Will keep you posted.

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On ours ('11 2500HD) it is instant and we have the gain set to slightly lead the truck...trailer has never bumped us during braking.


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I took my truck with trailer to my local GMC service center. A service tech, that is an experienced RVer, took a test drive with my truck and trailer. After multiple gain adjustments, we agreed that 8.0 felt best and most secure.

We then hitched my trailer to a new 2012 GMC Sierra 2500HD CC SB Duramax which is similar to my truck, except mine is a 3500 and has the Z71 package. We took it out on the same route and performed the same tests. It too had the best braking with my trailer with the gain set at 8.0.

I do not know why, but the brake pedal felt "mushier" and had more travel than my 3500.

The braking response with both GM trucks with the ITBC were similar, but not as smooth as my previous BrakeSmart controller. The GM ITBC only has gain adjustment. The BrakeSmart provided additional adjustments like initial brake constant and power factor, in addition to gain.

The tech felt that I had become accustom to a more customizable controller. The GM controller is acceptable to most people. He could not explain delay I observed with the brake pedal vs manual lever when stationary. The system is hydraulic brake fluid pressure based. He felt that additional motion sensors do not activate immediate signal to brakes if stationary. He has not had to repair an ITBC before.

They offered to disable the ITBC and install the brake controller of my choice at no charge. I will play with the current system and decide if I think I'd be better off with a different controller. Too bad BrakeSmart is no longer being produced. That would be my first choice.

A friend performed the same test with his GM truck with ITBC and had the same result. When the trailer wheels are off the ground and spinning, the manual controller works instantly and a 2-3 second delay when the brake pedal is depressed.

The service manager and techs at Classic GMC of Carrollton treated me with respect and Were very friendly and helpful.

My conclusion: The ITBC in my truck functions as designed. It is good enough to make most people happy. GM could take a lesson from BrakeSmart and increase the available adjustments and improve their ITBC. They also should provide better information to the consumer of how their current product functions. Even the techs are in the dark.

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