check for power from the switch contacts to a reliable ground such as your steps or an unpainted part of your chassis.The switch only switches power,your awning is probably grounded by itself to your mh.
FIRE UP wrote: ...Many of you know that Freightliner wires just about everything with yellow wires. On the back side of that switch receptacle, there are six yellow wires. And, like stated earlier, no matter what combination I probe with my test light and or volt meter, I get no power into that receptacle. How in the world does that work? How can you send power to that motor, in two directions, for EXTEND and RETRACT, and have no power in the plug that the switch plugs into??????????
Scott
Actually, all of those yellow wires are from Winnebago, not Freightliner. And if you look carefully, you'll notice that each wire is labelled every few inches and you can look in the Winnebago Wiring Identification Guide and also the Winnebago Wiring Diagrams for your coach to see what each wire does.
Hmmm, I'm seeing something very similiar on my door awning, but its very intermittant, at least so far. Next time I'll try starting the coach to see if its better with the engine running, and the charging system going. I've been leaning toward, a loose connection, ground ???????? somewhere, that maybe rattled back into place with driving!!!!!!! I can hope!
Well Gang,
I've made some progress. Not great but some. Here's what I've done and found out. The DW dug into our manuals and came up with the make and model of that "over the door" awning.
It's Carefree Mirage. It is all electric. There is no manual retracting components incorporated in this model. If this thing gets stuck in the "Out" position, it' up to the owner to figure out how to get it back in.
OK, now for some specs. In the mini manual for this door awning, it calls for a certain layout of the switch wiring. That is, it's supposed to have a 12V from the coach, a ground from the coach, a lead out to the motor positive and a lead out to the motor negative. The awning and or the motor is not grounded.
I started checking again for a hot in that receptacle for the switch and found TWO hots. But, here's the kicker, they're both 5.04 Volts. Hmmmmmm. So, I got to thinking about what one of the earlier posters gave me for information. I doubted his suggestion because I was under the impression that mine was not like his, I WAS WRONG!!!!!!
He suggested that there is a control box for both awnings, the door and the patio, in the basement compartments. Well, yes I do have a "Weather Pro" control box for the patio awning. It has a printed circuit board and a ton of connections in side it. You see it in the pictures. Well, I asked the DW to push on the toggle for that door awning and I could hear some "clicking" in that Weather Pro box.
I removed the cover and found three small, very small relays. I followed the wires from that receptacle in the coach to that box and the correct, corresponding relays for extend and retract. Well, I pulled the wires from the tangs on the incoming side and checked the voltage on those tangs. Sure enough, it was 5.04 Volts. Now, below the relays are larger wires that are also on tangs and, head out and back up to the same area the switch is in.
I pulled each of those wires, one at a time and had her push the toggle. As expected, when one wire was pulled, the door awning would extend but not retract. I checked the voltage on that tang when she pushed the toggle, yep, it was 13.2 volts. I did the same thing on the other relay and yep, it would not extend, I checked that tang and yep, it was 13.2 volts.
So, at this point in time, I've tracked things down to relays that seem to be working fine and, supplying the correct voltage out of them. So, it looks like there's a bad connection someplace north of those relays and south of the motor. Hmmmmmmm. Tomorrows another day. Here's a couple of videos of how things are going. You will see the awning act completely normal, out, in,out, in and finally I have her send it all the way out to "lock" position. It is then that the voltage, which you'll see in the other video on my VOM is, lacking and falls off completely. So, whatever's the cause, it's before the motor. The reason I say this is because the readings you're observing are taken right off the motor leads.
Pardon me for the fuzzy pics, I was trying to do a couple of things at once and was not paying attention to the focus on the camera. But, you'll get the point. The voltage reading you're seeing is two different readings. The higher one is when the awning is being extended and the motor does not have to work. The lower one, around 10 V is when the awning is being retracted. And, as you'll see in the video of the awning being extended and retracted, it works just fine until it goes all the way out, it is then that the motor gives up the ghost and won't retract it. It's also then, as you'll see in the VOM meter video that the retraction voltage drops off to basically "0" volts.
To watch the videos, just click on the upper two pictures, one at a time. Thanks again.
Scott
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Manual for Dometic Weather Pro Weather pro
Is there two switches for door awning? One on dash as in photo and one bt door? Is there one that works off door that operates automatically when door opens?
1. You may be the FIRST, but I have never seen an OEM mix and match a Carefree awning with a Dometic awning. That said, Dometic door awnings always go thru the weatherpro box control. Carefree (the original Marquee) door door awnings were just standard reverse polarity switch operated. Are you POSITIVE it is a Carefree door awning and NOT the Dometic door awning? Regardless, your motor is BAD, not the controller. A SIMPLE way to verify is to find the 2 - 2 wire patio/door quick connect at the weatherpro controller. one goes to the Patio and the other goes to the door. swap them and then activate the patio switch and that will operate the door awning and vice versa. IF you have the same result, your MOTOR is bad. 99% of the time the MOTOR is the problem. A Defective motor will pull excess amps and cause the controller to kick out the relay and not supply power. Doug
It is interesting that when fully extended, the awning retrieval failed when the left side arm (in the video) failed to attempt to come out of the fully extended mode.
The right arm does move briefly and then stops, maybe because the left arm did not move or because there is not enough power to bring them both over center.
Manual for Dometic Weather Pro
Weather pro
Is there two switches for door awning? One on dash as in photo and one bt door? Is there one that works off door that operates automatically when door opens?
Sir,
In one of the photos above, you'll see a vertical bank of switches, that are located just inside the door to the coach. On that bank, number 5 switch, down from the top, is one that's called Awning Selector. The number 6 switch is the one I push for extend and retract. #5 dictates which awning, patio or door, that the number 6 switch, gets to operate.
Now, if I put it on "Patio", the number 6 switch will NOT OPEN THE LARGE PATIO AWNING, AT ALL! If, I put the number 5 switch on "Door", then the number 6 switch, and ONLY the number 6 switch will operate the door awning. So, to answer your question, there is only one switch, that will operate the door awning. Just for info here, I've got three other awning switches that are all wired but, none of them work. I have no clue on why not. Even the switch on the Weather Pro Control box doesn't work any of the awnings. I can here clicking in the box but, no operation of either awning.
1. You may be the FIRST, but I have never seen an OEM mix and match a Carefree awning with a Dometic awning. That said, Dometic door awnings always go thru the weatherpro box control. Carefree (the original Marquee) door door awnings were just standard reverse polarity switch operated. Are you POSITIVE it is a Carefree door awning and NOT the Dometic door awning? Regardless, your motor is BAD, not the controller. A SIMPLE way to verify is to find the 2 - 2 wire patio/door quick connect at the weatherpro controller. one goes to the Patio and the other goes to the door. swap them and then activate the patio switch and that will operate the door awning and vice versa. IF you have the same result, your MOTOR is bad. 99% of the time the MOTOR is the problem. A Defective motor will pull excess amps and cause the controller to kick out the relay and not supply power. Doug
Doug,
I can only go by what's in and on the coach. Both awnings, the door and the patio, have anodized, very nice covers over every inch of the anwings, arms etc. And both have very bold writing on them that says:
Carefree of Colorado. And, that control box, the one in the basement compartment, that says:
AE WeatherPro and, Dometic,
well, that's what it says. And, I've looked up those boxes on the net and find every one of them has the same logos on their covers etc. The mini manual of the over the door awning for our coach says:
Carefree "Mirage" Over The Door Awning
My son works at an RV repair center and he and I were just checking certain operations out and he checked at the motor, 13.1 V for both directions. But, when it cuts out, it cuts out from the wiring, not the motor. That is, he get's nothing when it does its "shut down" thing. So, while sometimes I tend to agree with you about a bad motor, I shy away from it when other tests are performed. As in, when it shuts down from normal operations, and I immediately intervene with an outside battery, and that awning goes in and out a zillion times, lock to lock each time, it never even skips a beat. Hmmmmmmm Bad motor?????? Not sure. Thermal protection someplace in the control box and or in the system some place, a very much possibility. Can the motor get and or need thermal protection that quick, I guess it's possible. I'm no genius.
It is interesting that when fully extended, the awning retrieval failed when the left side arm (in the video) failed to attempt to come out of the fully extended mode.
The right arm does move briefly and then stops, maybe because the left arm did not move or because there is not enough power to bring them both over center
Well Sir,
I noticed that too. Does it have any effect on the total operation of retraction, maybe. I'll do some lubing of the moving parts in all that system and see if there's any difference in opertion.
Thanks againg to all for trying to help here. Very much appreciated.
Scott
Some rigs have a safety switch on the door step that prevents you from driving away with door awning extended. It is a switch mounted so step operates it.
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