...uh, where did the OP go? Seems we're doing a lot of "speculating" in here and don't have a lot of info to work with. Except for their 7 post history, it appears he has a 2012 crew cab with 5.7 gas engine and was looking at the Keystone with a "dry weight" of 11,400#......
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Quote: .heck, if I could find a SRW that could handle my weight, I'd have one.....
Not me Jim, they all look like Tundra's to me. Did I miss insulting anyone?
Notice the "big grin" icon....
I think bpounds had one also
Well, TRUTHFULLY, I love my dually, and won't let go of it....just get tired of those coming on here and telling me or others what we're going to say....
Fla-Gyspy, no matter what anyone say's, having had both SRW and DRW trucks, I REALLY wouldn't give up the stability I've noticed with a dually over a SRW truck when I tow on curvy mountainous roads..I also feel better knowing that my truck can handle what I'm towing...even being within the trucks weight limits.
Guess I just got tired of being accused of telling someone to get a dually if they were towing a pop-up....THOUGH I HAVE done just that, and you know what....didn't' even know it was back there
X2-I have owned both and IMHO a dually is a super tow machine. I do understand some people just cannot drive them.
Quote: .heck, if I could find a SRW that could handle my weight, I'd have one.....
Not me Jim, they all look like Tundra's to me. Did I miss insulting anyone?
Notice the "big grin" icon....
I think bpounds had one also
Well, TRUTHFULLY, I love my dually, and won't let go of it....just get tired of those coming on here and telling me or others what we're going to say....
Fla-Gyspy, no matter what anyone say's, having had both SRW and DRW trucks, I REALLY wouldn't give up the stability I've noticed with a dually over a SRW truck when I tow on curvy mountainous roads..I also feel better knowing that my truck can handle what I'm towing...even being within the trucks weight limits.
Guess I just got tired of being accused of telling someone to get a dually if they were towing a pop-up....THOUGH I HAVE done just that, and you know what....didn't' even know it was back there
X2-I have owned both and IMHO a dually is a super tow machine. I do understand some people just cannot drive them.
Totally understand the stability side of things. I have towed a 26' Jayco with a dually at one point. There is absolutely no comparison regardless of trailer size. That said I love my SRW F-250 (V-10) towing what I have now. But 14K with a SRW??? No stinking way!
I'm not the OP, but heck, I'll take you all up on your advice.
I'm looking at a 5er with unloaded weightof 11,600 lb, cargo up to 4800 lb, hitch weight of 2300 lb.
Truck I'm looking at supposedly has curb weight 7200 lb, GCWR 30,000 lb, GVWR 12,000 lb, GAWR rear 9300 lb (base weight in rear of 2900 lb).
To me, it looks like the truck would near max out when the trailer is fully loaded (say 2000 lb payload in truck between people, gas, stuff, hitch + 2300 lb trailer at hitch = 4300 lb payload + 7200 curb = 11,500 which is just under GVWR --- then I'm still under the GCWR by 18,500 lb which is more than enough for the trailer at full load).
So I should be OK, right? Did I do the math right?
Also, can anyone confirm -- the trailer weight at the tongue is considered when looking at the GVWR but ALSO counted when looking at the GCWR where/how do you deal with that number the right way?
udp8 wrote: I'm not the OP, but heck, I'll take you all up on your advice.
I'm looking at a 5er with unloaded weightof 11,600 lb, cargo up to 4800 lb, hitch weight of 2300 lb.
Truck I'm looking at supposedly has curb weight 7200 lb, GCWR 30,000 lb, GVWR 12,000 lb, GAWR rear 9300 lb (base weight in rear of 2900 lb).
To me, it looks like the truck would near max out when the trailer is fully loaded (say 2000 lb payload in truck between people, gas, stuff, hitch + 2300 lb trailer at hitch = 4300 lb payload + 7200 curb = 11,500 which is just under GVWR --- then I'm still under the GCWR by 18,500 lb which is more than enough for the trailer at full load).
So I should be OK, right? Did I do the math right?
Also, can anyone confirm -- the trailer weight at the tongue is considered when looking at the GVWR but ALSO counted when looking at the GCWR where/how do you deal with that number the right way?
Sounds like your doing the math, What truck do you have? With a GCWR of 30,000# and a GVWR of only 12,000 sounds light. for no more than the truck weighs, sounds like a SRW reg. cab or extended cab truck...3/4 at the most? If that were the case, a 5er with a GVW of 16,000# would be too heavy for a 3/4 ton...but I'm guessing..
For that weight, I'd probably want a dually, Use the GVW of the 5er, yours sounds like it is around 16,400#....Mine is 16,900#, but only loaded to a little over 15,300# 2i5h a pin weight of almost 3200#...if that'll help you any.
You will usually exceed GVWR on a TV before you exceed it's GCWR.....usually....
Don't quite understand the last part of your question....I may be wrong, but I'll give it a stab...GVW on the 5er is max your 5er can weigh, fully loaded....If it loads up to 15,300# (using my example), you'd add that total to your trucks weight to see where you land as far as GCWR (trailer + truck, and all that's in it)...pin weight, (tongue weight?), is considered as part of the trucks GVWR...if your truck weighs 7500# fully loaded, ready to hook and go, and the 5er's pin weight is 3200#...then the truck + the pin weight weighs in at 10,700#, thus you would be under the trucks GVWR by 1,300#...based on your numbers and my guesstimates...above was just an example, but hope it'll help you out some.
What truck do you have if I may be so bold to ask.
udp8 wrote: I'm not the OP, but heck, I'll take you all up on your advice.
I'm looking at a 5er with unloaded weightof 11,600 lb, cargo up to 4800 lb, hitch weight of 2300 lb.
Truck I'm looking at supposedly has curb weight 7200 lb, GCWR 30,000 lb, GVWR 12,000 lb, GAWR rear 9300 lb (base weight in rear of 2900 lb).
To me, it looks like the truck would near max out when the trailer is fully loaded (say 2000 lb payload in truck between people, gas, stuff, hitch + 2300 lb trailer at hitch = 4300 lb payload + 7200 curb = 11,500 which is just under GVWR --- then I'm still under the GCWR by 18,500 lb which is more than enough for the trailer at full load).
So I should be OK, right? Did I do the math right?
Also, can anyone confirm -- the trailer weight at the tongue is considered when looking at the GVWR but ALSO counted when looking at the GCWR where/how do you deal with that number the right way?
First of all the curb weight of a truck with a GCWR of 30000 and GVWR of 12K is going to weigh around 8000 to 8500 lbs maybe more, not 7200. The 7200 figure is for the base 2WD stripper. With a 9300 lb RGAWR rating and around 2900 dry weight on the rear axle you should be able to handle 6400 lbs of hitch, pin weight, and extra stuff on the rear axle!
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udp8 wrote: I'm not the OP, but heck, I'll take you all up on your advice.
I'm looking at a 5er with unloaded weightof 11,600 lb, cargo up to 4800 lb, hitch weight of 2300 lb.
Truck I'm looking at supposedly has curb weight 7200 lb, GCWR 30,000 lb, GVWR 12,000 lb, GAWR rear 9300 lb (base weight in rear of 2900 lb).
To me, it looks like the truck would near max out when the trailer is fully loaded (say 2000 lb payload in truck between people, gas, stuff, hitch + 2300 lb trailer at hitch = 4300 lb payload + 7200 curb = 11,500 which is just under GVWR --- then I'm still under the GCWR by 18,500 lb which is more than enough for the trailer at full load).
So I should be OK, right? Did I do the math right?
Also, can anyone confirm -- the trailer weight at the tongue is considered when looking at the GVWR but ALSO counted when looking at the GCWR where/how do you deal with that number the right way?
Your pin weight figure is off. If you load your 5ver to its max at 16400lbs your pin weight will be about 3200lbs which in your example would work out to a payload of 5200lbs + curb weight would be 12400lbs-I think a dually is your answer if you are going to tow 16k+ 5ver IMHO.
NC Hauler wrote: Sounds like your doing the math, What truck do you have? With a GCWR of 30,000# and a GVWR of only 12,000 sounds light. for no more than the truck weighs, sounds like a SRW reg. cab or extended cab truck...3/4 at the most? If that were the case, a 5er with a GVW of 16,000# would be too heavy for a 3/4 ton...but I'm guessing..
Yeah, it's light I *think* because it's a regular cab. Ram 3500 regular cab DRW with max tow package and 4.10 axle. Now does it sound right?
NC Hauler wrote: You will usually exceed GVWR on a TV before you exceed it's GCWR.....usually....
Yeah that's what surprised me on the math. Makes me wonder, why would you need much more than a 2-series truck if you had a truck camper (nothing in tow) because the GVWR is the same across the board on all those trucks.
NC Hauler wrote: pin weight, (tongue weight?), is considered as part of the trucks GVWR...if your truck weighs 7500# fully loaded, ready to hook and go, and the 5er's pin weight is 3200#...then the truck + the pin weight weighs in at 10,700#, thus you would be under the trucks GVWR by 1,300#
That's what I'm after, but that pin weight of 3200# is also part of the full trailer weight to be taken in consideration with the GCWR right?
Snow_King wrote: First of all the curb weight of a truck with a GCWR of 30000 and GVWR of 12K is going to weigh around 8000 to 8500 lbs maybe more, not 7200. The 7200 figure is for the base 2WD stripper.
Why do you say that? I got these figures from the manufacturer. Ram 3500 *regular cab* DRW max tow 4.10. Does that change your opinion?
I KNEW you were talking about a Dodge, but the GVWR is 12,300# for the new DRW 3500.
GCWR is 30,000#....I know that my truck, with the 4:10 rear end has a much lower GCWR than yours does, (mine is 24,500#) and my trucks GVWR is 12,200#....yours is 12,300#...So using MY numbers with my 5er, which is loaded to 15,300#, is under GVWR and the Trucks GCWR..
You don't have a problem....I'm just telling you this from doing the math on MY truck, ,and my truck is a CC/LB/ DRW Cummins, 4X4...it weighs more than the truck your talking about, thus the reason I doubted it was a DRW truck, but never looked at weighs on a Reg cab/ 2 wheel drive dually, but still thought it would weigh more than that.
you'll have no problem towing that 5er with the Dodge Dually .............'nuff said....
again, on the GVWR with Tow Max, I was under the impression the GVWR is 12,300#...Couldn't understand why Dodge raised their GCWR from 24,500# all the way up to 30,000#, but only raised the trucks GVWR up 100#...just don't make any sense, and if it is, as you say, only 12,000#, it makes even less sense......
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...just don't make any sense, and if it is, as you say, only 12,000#, it makes even less sense......
