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wakerider13

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I have a 2008 GMC Sierra Denali with air bags and I am wondering if I should trade in my TT Dry weight of 6,600 lbs and move upto a 5er dry weight 8,000. I believe the truck can handle the weight I am not sure about the pin weight. Will the air bags eleminate this potential problem?

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Can some one tell me if I am nuts. I own a 2008 GMC Sierra Denali 6.2 with air bags. I want to upgrade to a 5er. I currently tow 6,600 dry weight TT and am thinking about purchasing a 5er 8,000 lbs dry weight. The dealer tells me it will be ok but I have some concerns. Am I nuts?

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Mean while (off topic but same magazine) they have a 4,300 DRY weight slide in camper in a SRW F350. Pretty sure that camper is a bit heavy for the truck. Last F350 SRW I saw had a 3,550 lb capacity.........


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Payload? Payload ? Payload?
If you don't have 2000 plus I say don't do it. IMO
This is coming from a guy that fows a fiver with a maxtow f150, 3.73, etc. My loaded pin is under 1100 and I am still close.
Does the truck have LT tires? Power is a non-issue if you keep the fiver light.

The term 1/2 tonne is obsolete as there are 150 and 1500 series trucks that are very capable. The problem is only certain configurations will work. Do your homework!

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kmfvfr wrote:

Mean while (off topic but same magazine) they have a 4,300 DRY weight slide in camper in a SRW F350. Pretty sure that camper is a bit heavy for the truck. Last F350 SRW I saw had a 3,550 lb capacity.........


Yes, the RV magazines are all about selling products for their advertisers. In Motorhome magazine for example, when they review an expensive toad braking system, they will imply that these systems are required to be legal in virtually any state-which is not true.

Then, like you pointed out, their sister magazine tests a pickup and slide-in camper combo that likely will be 1500 pounds overweight when loaded for camping.


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wakerider13 wrote:

Can some one tell me if I am nuts. I own a 2008 GMC Sierra Denali 6.2 with air bags. I want to upgrade to a 5er. I currently tow 6,600 dry weight TT and am thinking about purchasing a 5er 8,000 lbs dry weight. The dealer tells me it will be ok but I have some concerns. Am I nuts?
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THen the question comes down to, what is the definition of "Overweight"

If the manufactures ratings, yes the camper would be overweight. If based on the actual law the LEO/CVEO has to follow, the 350 with a 4300 lb camper would not be over weight. SO is this the rag that is publishing the article saying with out saying, follow the actual law, and skip the manufactures ratings? or the as said, selling what they can? or not bothering to be as conservative as they should be with what is the tow/carrying rig?

At the end of the day, I feel a typical half ton has the ability to carry the weight, tow safe and sanely a 5W trailer that is designed for the give load the 15 series rig can carry. That is not to say it can carry a mid 30' quad slide 5W safe and sanely, then again, their are a LOT of 8 lug 25/35 series rigs that could not carry the pin wt of said mid 30'/quad slide 5W too!

At the end of the day, it is up to the end operator to know that the rig they drive is capable if handling the load they are asking it to do. For me from a towing standpoint, I stick to max trailer of 2x the GRAWR of the tow rig, power for the means of which the rig will be driving. If on mostly city/county roads, not as mu motor is needed, if interstates, more motor/HP is needed for a given total pound rig, be it 10,000 lbs like a half ton might be maxed out with a trailer, or 80K lbs like a class 8 Kenworth would be.

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Posted: 05/06/12 07:39pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I personally would rather tow a 5th wheel that inherently is stable that slightly overloads a 1/2 ton then a travel trailer that needs bandaids such as WDH and/or anti sway at 80% of rated Gross Weights. I think relying on bandaids is dumb, dumb, dumb.


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wakerider
I also have a sierra denali you cannot put a 5th wheel on them at least thats what my manual says mine is awd not sure about yours

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MitchF150 wrote:

Hummm.. You decide...
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Mitch, that particular combo appears to be overloaded. Pin weight is too much for that truck. This is a bad example.


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