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We just bought a new Ag tractor with an Iveco engine (Fiat). Fantastic fuel economy.
150,000 km oil change intervals and no EGR.

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Posted: 05/06/12 06:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

4x4ord wrote:

We just bought a new Ag tractor with an Iveco engine. Fantastic fuel economy. http://web.iveco.com/en-us/press-room/release/Pages/EuroVI.aspx


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Far more likely that Chrysler/Fiat would use VM Motori engines. In fact these are already in production in some Chrysler/Jeep vehicles in the European Union.


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Technically not that easy because it means having to certify it for EPA 2010.

http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_t2.php

The certification has to be for both 5 years and "full useful life".

Then, to sell nationally, certification for California as well.

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That`s great for Europe.......but by the time the feds here get done americanizing it, it will not be worth the diesel you`de put in it!

Why is it the U.S. tries hard to lower our emmisions, but other countries still grossly pollute?


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dodge guy if we answer your emission question they lock this one up for bring politics into the forum. LOL





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Technically, there are many hurdles beside just emissions standards.

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dodge guy wrote:

That`s great for Europe.......but by the time the feds here get done americanizing it, it will not be worth the diesel you`de put in it!

Why is it the U.S. tries hard to lower our emissions, but other countries still grossly pollute?
I agree SOME other countries still pollute.
BUT, if you look at the European regs (close to those of countries like Australia) they do not have the fixation on low Nitrous oxide levels that our Feds/EPA do. This low NOx limit is what makes diesel certification VERY difficult in the US.
HOWEVER, if the US regs zeroed in on the European Carbon Dioxide requirements, you probably wouldn't be driving your EX!


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sch911 wrote:

Far more likely that Chrysler/Fiat would use VM Motori engines. In fact these are already in production in some Chrysler/Jeep vehicles in the European Union.


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While we are discussing the WHY's of diesel engines in Europe and the U.S., it would behoove us to ask WHY the European models get upwards of 75 miles per gallon, while the U.S. certified versions of the SAME CAR are only rated at 45 MPG!
Thank you, regulatory agencies!


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